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Bro perry, + yr pts when I can.

But if the rapid test is +ve, for the second test how much blood will they draw? Got girl here whose afraid of needles.

Also..like..why can't they sell the equipment for the first test?

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Thanks bros for the kind words. I do what I can, especially for those who went through, or are going through what I went through not too long ago. I know exactly what invades your mind when something like non-specific symptoms hit you, sui sui during the 2 to 3-week period after doing it with a hooker or worse, an FL. Suddenly simple skin problems, ulcers in the mouth, or slight fever assume monumental importance--because it could be the one! Then when in the midst of the symptoms, you go through the Web (thebody.com and other websites...) and your drug-addled mind kena attacked by negative thoughts and panic sets in...

It's horrible. So terrifying in fact that you would stop cheonging for a long time.

Anyway, thanks bros. Next time if you got contact for Jap or Ah Lian FL, pass to me, can? :D

OK, OK...Just kidding. But who knows. When the wallet is full again, courage and self-confidence is back to normal, my phone is going to be busy...heh heh heh...

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Good point bro bongster. I know, which is why I'm considering doing the other work for them. Aside from administering the test at Anonymous Testing, there's still counselling, and definitely got fundraising activities etc.

As for donations: yup, they need all the funding they can get. One way is to direct all your HIV testing to AfA's Anonymous Testing.

I'm not being flippant or joking here.

I don't know how much the test kit costs them, but have been told that it certainly doesn't cost them $20 each--so in a way, you'll be subsidising their kits. For people who are being tested, they get a test with absolute anonymity, at only $20.

So it's a win-win for the AfA and the person being tested--as far as the $ money goes with each test.

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hi bro thecas:

Aiyah, points are nice. But if you got contact for a Jap who looks like Bunko Kanazawa or an Ah Lian who looks like Jeanette Aw, pass me, can? :D

Seriously, though. The first test is the ELISA. Because it is the rapid test kit used, it just means a drop of blood. The second test is the Western Blot (sorry, I didn't mention that earlier), which is not a rapid test, is a more sensitive test, and they need to draw a blood sample to send to a lab to run the test. As for sample size--I'm afraid, yes, they need to draw blood with a need--it's about as much as, say, when you go for other kinds of blood tests. About a vial, I think.

But don't jump the gun here with the girl. Take the rapid test first and only worry about the Western Blot when there's reason too. The reason for the Western Blot is confirmation of the ELISA test's result. The ELISA test is more likely to produce false positives (and just about never false negatives--so don't take a Western Blot after an ELISA -ve). Of course, these statements hold as long as the full Window period is observed (6 months).

In any case, if suay suay someone kena +ve on the ELISA, I don't think the size of the needle or how much blood is being drawn will the first thing on his/her mind. Whichever it is, worry only about getting the girl to do the ELISA first.

As for selling the rapid test kit. You mean the AfA? They can't do that. The healthcare providers in Singapore don't do that. Even the DSC Clinic doesn't do that.

But I do recall someone with a thread somewhere in this forum who said he had a lobang for buying/selling/distributing the rapid test kit here. I can't remember if it's like the Orasure kind (that tests scrapings or saliva from the mouth/tongue) or blood-based on like the one AfA uses. Maybe some other bros remember and can dig up the thread?

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I like to add one important point here regardring about Doc reporting to MOH if one tested +ve. Even if u got tested +ve in AFA, your identities might be withheld. But you will not be able to be given treatment unless ur identities are reported. Hence its a clever collabration between MoH and AFA. W/o Afa many may not dare to get tested. And if tested +ve u have no choice but to seek treatment.

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Hi bro MitMit:

(Yes, I'm still fighting the urge welling up in my didi to go get some FL action...But so far so good! My big head is keeping my smaller head under control...)

Anyway: Agreed. But there is a way around that, though not necessarily for everyone. (I won't mention if the AfA advocates this or is against it, so we'll just have to read between the lines...)

There's quite a trend among the HIV+ folks in Singapore who can afford it, to go overseas to get treated. Their closest, and preferred destination is Thailand. Preferred due to not just how close it is, but because the Thai government has been more aggressive in tackling the AIDS pandemic than other governments round the world--and this has meant a lot of good things done.

For one: Thailand has the only government-backed retroviral drug cocktail production, not sure if in the world, but certainly in Asia. Being generic (that is, unbranded) the drugs are sold quite cheap there (relative to prices elsewhere in the world, and certainly compared to prices in Singapore). So Singaporean HIV+ folks actually save money on drugs when seeking treatment over there.

Ironically: you have to have $ to make regular trips to Thailand for treatment, in order to get savings from treatment over the years. The poor, and the 9 to 5 office workers will have to have their savings depleted and even lose their livelihoods due to prejudice in the workplace after being exposed as being HIV+--will just have to suffer even worse, sooner.

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Yippy,+ the pts alreadi.

I visit cat tom yam only, so know know FL.

But a small bit of more info, if the ELISA test is +ve, for the WESTERN BLOT test do u need to come up wif more $ ?

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Hi bro thecas:

Thanks for the rep points but I'm not out for the points lah as much as... (More impt are the Japs who look like Bunko Kanazawa or Lians who look like Jeanette Aw!!!...hah hah hah <HINT, HINT>!!!)

OK, seriously lah. Anyway, most of the counselors will be happy that you only go to the 'licensed' GL hookers. Not the FLs.

As for having to pay for the Western Blot or not, I must admit I don't know for sure. Sorry about that. But I suspect that you may have to pay for it, especially since they have to send it off to a lab and back. Honestly, when the spectre of a life-threatening (and life-ruining in a place like Singapore) disease looms like that, I doubt Singapore $20 or even $50 will be the first thing on the mind at the moment it is announced a Western Blot confirmatory test is required. Know what I mean?

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How do I + points? I'd like to plus as much as i can for perry!

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click on the balance scale at the top right.

To bro perry,

IC.. just wanted to c how much money to bring there :)

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Bro... rep points are not important to all of us.. most impt is to spread the message against the fight against this deadly virus... remember WEAR CONDOM HOR... :P

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hi bro mustachio:

thanks for the points and thanks for wanting to add some more points. but it's OK lah. no need. and besides, you have to spread the love around the forum before you can add more points to the same member again. from what I understand (I don't know the specific number so...) it would be about a lot of people or about a year or so till you can give points to the same person again.

what you can do is instead is help the bros who are going through what we went through along the way lor. BTW: I know you know more than I do. And that includes first-hand experience and knowledge of the psychological horrors brought out by the existence of such an evil virus as HIV I/II. So terrifying that it even scares to bits those who are not infected, or not even remotely going to kena.

spread the word, bro!

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Oh, that's why. I don't think it would be more than $20. I think if bring $50 total on that day should more than cover all expenses.

I'm sure if someone needs to take the second test, they'll be given money to cover it, if not from the AfA cashbox, then maybe the counselor will loan from his own pocket. Don't forget, have to come back for the second test results--so the person coming for the results can pay them back then.

Anyway, they're not heartless people lah. They'll find a way or even give the test for free. I shall ask them when I get the chance. But you ah, don't think about things like that lah. Get through the ELISA and you won't need a Western Blot.

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Bringing this thread up too..should not be lost too..or shld b a sticky..

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Less than 30 bucks for simple tests. If go for urine smear etc + check for others may cost more. Just bring more money just in case. If 1st time bring not enough money, do not need to worry cause can always go another day. Maybe can ask the counter 1st for the cost.

Advice to people who r unclear as to whether they r suffering from anything to seek help asap. The process is actually quite simple and hassle free. Also, the people at DSC will not discriminate u at all unlike other places.

Do pluck up the courage to go in directly into the clinic. I have seen many guys pondering outside the clinic looking here and there, open the door but eventually still dare not go in for the check. Just want tot say there is nothing any different inside the clinic just like any polyclinic. Moreover, it is air-conditioned inside unlike the outside where it is heaty. If u have the intention to go in, just do it.

Cheers

ps: I was once like those guys pondering outside the DSC clinic, 'gey gey' open door see inside than walk away but I was glad I chose to go in for my checkup on that day. Thank god for giving me the courage and I hope that more people will pluck up the courage to care for themselves.

Early detection means early treatment. The end result is much of a mental than a physical. Trust me, think for your family and your loved ones. I in no postion to lecture anyone cause I did call prostitutes b4. Just here to help.

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I went there on wednesday night. paid $20 at the counter. fill in a form about age, sex preference, etc...

waited to be called and 'councior' asking questions like first time? safe sex, use condom, and six mths time window to detect any hiv virus in your blood stream.

after that wait outside to be called into another room. prick finger for blood test on a strip. and wait for twenty minutes outside.

i waited more than 20 minutes. they jumped to another number. Damn, like waiting for death sentencing.....

finally, called in to see the strip. one line on strip means the blood test is succesful. Lucky me. one line on strip only.

if two line on strip, means +ve.

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Anonymous HIV checkup procedures at the DSC.

the procedure is simple... once u reach there

1. you will be required to fill up a form.... ( u can just Hamtam any particular into the form) and then pay $20...u will then be given a queue number..

2. wait for your queqe number to be called and then proceed for see the part-timer counselor( educator). they will ask u a simple questions abt your sex life and u can also ask them anything u want with regards to the test and the HIV virus.

3. After the test.. wait outside room 14, where u have to wait for your queue number to be call again... this time to take your blood test.. dont worry it is just a prick on the finger ...

4. afte they take your blood...just roam around or go to the nearby hawker center/ food court for a drink... come back in 15 mins time. wait outside the room where you went for your consulation... they will call you and give u the result.

that all... very simple and easy. Hope all is fine.... i will be going for my regular checkup this wed... if u want u can join me too.. :)

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But I read that the pple dun change gloves.. can u bring gloves for them to change into? I mean scarly they poke a +ve person b4 u. a bit blood on glove, touch your hand and on the same spot u kana poke. how?

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:confused: was wanderin if 3mths if enough to detect any HIV virus?The highest risk encounter i had was raw oral sex(bbbj n pussy eating), but still wld like to play safe and go for the screen. i read about the 6 mths window period but some claim that 3 mths onwards the virus shld be able to b detected.

Confused,
KL

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I understand the the 3 to 6 months window is to detect the virus....there is another test which I was told is to detect the antibodies to the virus....and this one requires shorter window period only a few weeks...as once a foreign bodies enters our system, the immune system will start producing antibodies against any possible infection....

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The 3 months test is actually looking for antibodies...Average people can have detected antibodies by 25-28 days..and 99% of the people by 6 weeks...This is the elisa test and is usually recommend for hiv screening..the window period of 3 months is actually very conservative...because people that have immune problems like cancer patients or IV drug users takes slightly longer than 6 weeks to produce antibodies..some states in US and WHO are using 6 weeks for elisa test..some countries like brazil, france, sweden and italy are using 8 weeks as the window period..The 6 months thing is completely outdated liao except for those that kanna needle stick injuries and those on PEP..Anti viral meds 72 hours after protential exposure..to kill off the virus before it spread..The 28 days test is call PCR dna or rna..it detects the actual virus instead of antibodies so 28 days neg is almost gurantee not infected...But this test is damn expensive $380 and it has a 1-2 % false positive...Imagine a person kanna a false positive but he is not infected..the virus haven kill him he already died of heart attack liao..


PS: 12 weeks window period

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/S...g/Q146493.html

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bro the one used in dsc is to detect the presence of antibodies.. only when the person is tested postive then they will do the virus test... :)

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So in conclusion you ask them to change gloves and the agreed to your request? I don't want to appear too demanding on them. nvm

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this is a nice thread, thanks bro.

as for the changing of glove i think i will request also ,i dont want to go back home and then start worrying whether the glove got virus or not :D

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dont worrry bro.. we have every right to request that.... so just exercise that rights... even thought it is quite safe without changing the glove... but like you said it... peace of mind mah:d

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Big sexy,

I just went down for a test today...they are quite automatic nowadays leh...they will change gloves for every client and also give handiplast liao...last time don't have one..

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hi bros,

What are the risks of contracting HIV and other std in mutual mastubration? :confused:

cheers

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Very low risk..almost none...

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I just discovered that I got syphillis and herpes from a WL. R the chances of me geting HIV high cause I read the incubation period like 6 mths? I visit her many times last 2 mths. I just test no HIV but am I clear? Pls advice. Thank u. :(

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The chances of getting HIV does increase if u have open sores from herpes or syphilis during the time u visit her...BTW did u use a condom?Then your risk is almost non existant if the condom did not break and do not have open sores from herpes during that exact time when u have sex..If u tested at 6 weeks u are almost free but for a offical neg u need to get tested at 12 weeks (3 months)..The 6 months crap is already old information liao...If a person takes more than 3 months to produce antibodies to HIV...He should be more worried about more serious unlying diseases than HIV that is cauing his immune to be so weak...