Massage parlours in Bkk

[KatoeyLover69]

Here's the map of Patpong showing all the A Go Go bars and massage parlours :-

http://www.nanadisco.com/Maps/patpong.html


Another map of Patpong :-

http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail.../Patpong2.html



Overall location of Patpong :-

http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail.../Patpong1.html

http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail...ngkokmaps.html

[KatoeyLover69]

Sorry ! Correction .................


Here's the map of Patpong showing all the A Go Go bars and massage parlours :-

http://www.nanadisco.com/Maps/patpong.html


Another map of Patpong :-

http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail.../Patpong2.html



Overall location of Patpong :-

http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail.../Patpong1.html

http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail...ngkokmaps.html

[KatoeyLover69]

Depending on your destination, sometimes it's cheaper and faster to travel by River Taxi.


Here's the Bangkok River Taxi Map :


http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail...Rivertaxi.html

[KatoeyLover69]

Somtimes because of the notorious Bangkok traffic jams, it is better to travel by the BTS Syktrain :-



http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail.../Skytrain.html

[KatoeyLover69]

Patpong has been going strong now for over 30+ years and is the best known area out of the four main spots and the only one out of the four not in the Sukhumvit area. Patpong is located at Silom Road with a BTS Station at Sala Daeng.

Over the past few years Patpong has lost a lot of customers to Nana Plaza, which could be crowned as the new Queen of A go go and beer bars in Bangkok, but Patpong is still going strong and has a world famous notoriety that the others will never take away.

Patpong consist of two streets Patpong 1 and 2, Patpong 1 is the main street with most of the better known kings group A go go bars and a busy night time market. There is also an upstairs in some areas but these are mainly rip off bars, you could really get into big hassles in these and with the one or two that are just ok, its not even worth the time to mention them other then to say " stay out of the second floor bars ".

Our input

Patpong has the best looking ladies but other then that Patpong.... sucks, period. There is nothing in Patpong that you can't find at Nana or Cowboy, except the scams and ripoffs, other then its reputation and a few stunners (you can find good looking women else where too) there is nothing in Patpong that makes it worth even a look. In the past you could always go to the Kings groups of bars and find some hot ladies and feel that your not being soaked for thousands of Baht but now we are hearing reports of bill padding scams even at these bars so now there is nothing in Patpong that we could recommend except one or two bars and that's not worth a trip all the way out there. Our only real recommendation with Patpong is go to Nana Plaza.

Bars Bars and More Bars

There are a lot of bars in Patpong 1 and 2, below are some reviews of a few bars and links. One quick note is that we looked everywhere for bar websites in Patpong and the only one that we could find is "Golfinger", its also our recommended club.

Bar Reviews

Goldfinger
Goldfinger is one of the better bars in Patpong and is our number one choice of clubs to chill and hang for while. There are a few noticeable differences with this bar compared to others in Patpong. The first being the music, they play only classic rock and roll, so if your not into this type of music then this would not be the place for you, I love it so this might be why I like this bar so much. The second, which I think is the most important, the girls are friendly as hell here, you go to other clubs and most seem to have this "I don't give a shit just give me your money" look on their faces but at Goldfinger they seem to have gotten past that somehow. The bar itself is roomy enough and the women range from good looking to average (no real stunners), but I go to this club for good music and good drink in a fun environment and they do deliver that very well.

King Castle 1
We will review some Kings groups clubs here but let me say this one quick thing, these clubs in the past were always reliable and safe but now we are hearing reports of billing padding, if you do go please watch this. The best way to prevent this is to pay as you go, order a beer or ladies drink and pay for it right away, do not run a tab to be paid at the end of the night.

Once you hit this bar your right in the middle of the action and of Patpong. Here is high intensity and major parting, the bar is always packed with tourist looking for a wild night in Bangkok. You can find some real stunners here some of the best looking working girls in Bangkok but at a price. The girls here are with out a doubt business women and know exactly what they are worth. They play new pop music and they play it load, the bar is big but most times very packed.

King Castle III
One of the smaller Kings group clubs and could be easily passed up while walking by. This is a very small club but the dancers are good and the staff friendly. If your looking for a quieter Kings bar then this might be the place.

Kings Corner
This club has one of the best locations in Patpong so it is always packed and pumping with action. I have to say that this club has the best looking women in all of Bangkok, but with that said the ladies know it and it is all business here. You have a hell of a time to even get a girl to sit down and talk to you unless you buy them a drink as there will be plenty of other farangs just waiting their turn. I'm fairly young, nice build and have been told good looking (Thai women don't count, they tell everyone they're good looking) and I even have problems hooking up with the ladies unless the money is coming out of the pocket. We recommend going to this club during the weekday.

Price List

The prices here vary greatly but here are a few determining factors, the 1st is how the lady looks, if she is a stunning lass then expect to pay prime prices. The second is you, unlike the west where a prostitute will go with just about any one, these lady are choosy at times, if the lady is young and fine and your old fat and ugly, she might not go with you or you might have to pay the prime rate, but if your young and thin then the going average rate should apply. Its all about supply and demand and the demand has been out pacing the supply lately here in Patpong. There are others factors too, how your dressed, if your new (believe me they know a newbie) to this, if your Asian forget about it take a loan because the price has just doubled at least. Its not that they don't like Asian men, its due to the Japanese coming over during their economic boom and paying outrageous prices, the girls just got used to thinking Asian man big money. So as you can see the prices are not fixed and so it is hard to say what you will have to pay but below is a high and low that if you stick to it you should be ok. For gods sake don't go over the high, every time you do it just brings all the prices up and also this does not include bar fines which are between 300 to 500 bht.

Short Time ( Low ) 1,000 Bht
Short Time ( High ) 2,000 Bht

All Night ( Low ) 1,500 Bht
All Night ( High ) 3,000 Bht

Now this is just a basic guide line, but ugly girls will go for less (and there are some) this is for an above average looking girl and your not a hunch back or something. I know that there will be guys out there that say I've gotten them for 500 bht or less, yea what ever, I've gotten them for free but the point is that these are working girls so unless your Tom Cruz 99% of the time you will pay at least the low end c

Tips and Warnings : USE THE TOURIST POLICE!

Patpong is not a place to be stupid, out of Patpong, Nana and Cowboy, I feel that Patpong is really the only place that you might find yourself with a real problem, maybe even a serious ass kicking by the locals. I would recommend that you stay away from the guys offering you shows, stay away from the second floor, stick to the main streets ground floor bars and A go gos like the Kings group and keep your wits about you and you should be fine.

Bargain, bargaining with the ladies for the price is cool and recommended (not the bar fine, this is set by the bar and is a fixed price) but make sure you agree on the price before you leave. Even if she says, " up to you " or " pay what you want if I good ", still settle on a price or you might have an argument in the morning when she asks for much more then your willing to pay.

[KatoeyLover69]

Nana Plaza

Nana Plaza relatively is a very small area, no more then a court yard surrounded by three floors of Ago go clubs. When this place gets busy and packed the bottom floor is wall to wall people. With that said I really enjoy Nana Plaza, its like going to a small shopping mall for sex, which is cool. Nana Plaza is also coming out as the top spot in Bangkok catching up and overtaking Patpong over the last few years. I remember first going to Nana and at times there would be no more then a few westerners there, now its busy almost every night.

Nana Plaza, as all areas, has been somewhat effected by the recent crack down by the men in brown. Nana was always known for its shows and "extra" entertainment venues, but that has all but been shut down. It is slowly coming back and you will find a few bars dancing topless again but the shows are still gone with the exception of the G-Spot which must have some kind of connection to stay open. This has slowed things down a bit but at least it has freed up a few extra bar stools.

The first floor is by far the busiest with a few beer bar style clubs right out in front. Some of the best and most popular clubs are Playskool , Raindow 1 and Voodoo.

The second floor contains a lot of small bars, often frequented by ex-pats. The best know bar would be the G- spot .

The third floor has a few, really big bars, Hollywood Strip, Hollywood Two and Carnival. These bars used to be famous for their live sex shows but due to the crack down that has all but stopped.

Our input

Nana for us is the current place to be, it has the best looking, the most girls and the best best environment . Even though it can be packed at times it is much more laid back and comfortable then Patpong, plus the surrounding area is packed full of bars restaurants and hotels for you to use before or after your little adventure into the heart of Nana's courtyard. if your looking for just pure sex with good looking women in a fun and laid back environment then Nana is the place to be.

[KatoeyLover69]

Here's a map showing all the A Go Go Bars in Nana Plaza :-


http://www.mensasia.com/Travel/Thail...Maps/Nana.html

[KatoeyLover69]

First Floor
The busy corner of Nana Plaza is located on the far right side. It includes Rainbow 2, Hollywood, Playskool and Rainbow 1. In these bars altogether you will find a few hundreds of girls.

Pretty Lady (former Buttoms Up)is popular at present, with its 'mirror' counter around the dancing stage. Lollipop has just been reopened after a period functioning as a ladyboy bar. It has now an airconditined foyer with pool tables in front.

In front of most bars on the ground floor, and in the middle of the Plaza, are various beer bars. If you favor that, you can watch life soccer games there on most evenings.

The entrance of Nana Plaza has beerbars on both sides.


The second floor of Nana Plaza has a lot of smaller bars, with a more 'intimate' environment. There is one huge bar though, G-spot, in the right far corner.

On the left, other more 'regular' a-go-go bars are Rainbow 3 and Angelwitch. Angelwitch in particular is a popular spot, since it features both good looking girls and some well choreographed shows. Casanova is a exclusively ladyboy bar.

In the right close corner, reached after using the escalator we find Fantasia, Mandarin and Silver Dragon. Mandarin is an interesting bar, with multiple levels and a transparent floor between two dancing stages. Rainbow 4 has just opened in May 2005, and most likely will become a very popular bar (if the other Rainbow bars are anything to go by)


The third floor of Nana Plaza has only a few bars. However they all are huge, and when busy, can house quite a number of girls. Hollywood Strip has been renamed Carousel bar, after being remodeled and now featuring two large carousels. Shows are featured, with the girls now dressed up though. Carnival is a huge bar on the right, also featuring a carousel, with much less girls and activity though than a year or two ago. Cascade is a 'ladyboy' bar.

[KatoeyLover69]

There was a time, about 5 years ago when the majority of the bars employed some transvestites and/or some sex reassigned persons. For the old hands, things usually are pretty obvious, and they had some fun, observing the tourists and newcomers becoming prey to the ladyboys. Casanova at Nana Plaza (located second floor left far corner) has been around probably since about the start of business at Nana. A few years back we got some 'specialty' bars at Nana Plaza, actually quite a few of them. On the ground floor we have Obsession, on the second floor the already mentioned Casanova bar, and Temptations (next to Rainbow 4). On the top floor we have Cascade. In these bars altogether you will find probably more than a hundred ladyboys.

So the ladyboys disappeared from the regular bars. Since this happened in a relatively short time period, we suspect there was some agreement between most bars to do so. The disappearance of the katoeys overall was a good idea. Mostly they were thriving on deception. It is all good and well when the customers are looking for transvestite action. But a lot of unsuspecting touists fell prey, and got a good surprise when taking out one of the ladyboys. The fact that their activities where based on deception, of course caused a lot of hard feelings for the victims.

But now the ladyboys are making a comeback to the regular bars. It must be said that nowadays their overall number has increased a lot, and there are tens of them hanging around now at the entrance of Nana Plaza, around lower Sukhumvit at night, and close to the entrance(s) of Soi Cowboy. But we saw some actually dancing again in some of the bars.

G-spot (Nana Plaza) has at least a couple of them. Long Gun (Soi Cowboy) had a katoey dancing naked on stage the other day (postoperative of course). And at Suzie Wong (Soi Cowboy) a katoey (a very well done one) was actually participating in the 'lesbian' show.

We probably said so before, but it is worth repeating. When you notice a ladyboy, do not go around pointing fingers, and start discussing things with your friends in obvious fashion. Don't start staring at them checking them out in a non-sexual, but investigative way. Some of them get easily upset when discovered and certainly when you pass on the information to other customers around you. You may find out that they look like females to a large extent, but when you upset them, it may become obvious sometimes that they are genetically male.

Bangkok is probably the capital of sex reassignment surgery. There are at least about 15 establishments, hospitals and clinics that specialize in this surgery. The standards of selection must be very low, although most of them claim to include a psychologic evaluation before considering surgery. That the selection is poor, is obvious when observing the number of ladyboys that turn up in the sex trade. It is like a fair amount of people who go for transgender surgery, do so with the intent of then turning tricks around Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. We can not really consider this activity as 'normal'.

About Lady Boys (Katoeys)
Anyone visiting the nightlife scene in Bangkok and around Thailand most likely is familiar with the presense of many (relatively speaking) lady boys or katoeys (in Thai language).

I think the generally accepted term for this third sex is transvestites. Most of them in daily live have upgraded themselves with female attributes like hairdo, prominent breasts, fancy dresses, a lot of make-up etc. In Thailand there is also a well established prevalence of gender surgery where the male sex organs are removed and remodeled through plastic surgery into female sex organs.

The above surgery is performed rather frequently. One supposed reason being that there is less importance given to psychological evaluation before surgery as done in the West. The prove that some of these persons have psychological problems is clearly found in the fact that a lot of them end up in the sex trade, rather than leading an otherwise normal life.

There used to be a time when most of the larger bars at Nana Plaza (and some at Soi Cowboy) had a contingent of lady boys. Possibly they were kind of liked by management because they were rather agressive in promoting themselves with the customers, thus generating income for the bars. On the other hand, they were more likely to generate trouble in and out of the bars. Some customers probably got more than they bargained for, when seeing their 'lady' emerge from the bathroom in the hotel. So nowadays lady boys have mostly disappeared from the regular a-go-go bars.

The main problem with lady boys in the bars was deception. While some customers may prefer their presence and services, a lot of first time visitors somehow fail to distinguish between them and 'normal' women. And the lady boy will certainly not tell them what they are.

But for those who prefer their services, the three floors at Nana Plaza have bars that solely have katoeys working in them. The longest established bar is Casanova on the second floor. At present also Obsession on the ground floor, and Cascade on the third floor, have lady boys in abundance.

Many lady boys are working the streets around Nana Plaza. Quite a few position themselves at the entrance to Nana Plaza itself, looking mainly for drunk males, about to leave Nana Plaza without a companion yet. In the evening and at night, the Sukhumvit section between Soi 3 and Soi 5 ( Foodland) has besides a lot of street prostitutes, also a big bunch of lady boys working the field.

At Soi Cowboy, lady boys are less prevalent. However, there are a few of them working at the Soi 23 end of the soi. If you leave Soi Cowboy from that corner alone, you should not be surprised when followed, touched, by lady boys, wanting your attention.

How to recognize lady boys or katoeys. The answer : It is like distinguished between men and women, or between cats and dogs. You know what is a cat or a dog, when you see it, without needing to go over their different body parts before making a decision.

It is a given that MANY male customers visiting the nightlife scene lack an ability to figure out the katoeys though. Long-time residents usually can recognize them from a distance. (But one should never assume one is a total expert, since some lady boys are well 'done' indeed)

Most strictly speaking 'male' attributes can be corrected nowadays by surgery. Breast, sexual organs, buttocks shape, Adam's apple can all by adapted, removed or added. General physical appearance usually is more difficult to change. Big muscles, wide shoulders, large hands and feet can give a good hint.

Besides physical characteristics, general behaviour of katoeys can be a give away. It can be summarized as : They try to hard to look and behave like females. Their body movement are frequently exagerated. On the other hand, if you have an argument with them, you will see the 'male' part get out of its cocoon.

As an added precaution : Most of the katoeys working the streets do so in groups. So while you may be talked to by one person, more are observing you all around, and may try to join the action. The katoeys close to Nana Plaza reportedly also have been known to be good pickpockets.

[netraker]

Thanks KL69 for the writeup... it almost feel like reading off a lonely planet guidebook on the lb night scene.... enjoyable read, informative as well.
great stuff !

[KatoeyLover69]

Report from The Nation dated Sunday 25 December 2005 :-

Warning: alcohol, cold don't mix

The Public Health Ministry yesterday issued a warning on the potentially fatal effects of drinking alcohol to keep warm during the winter.


Dr Prat Bunyawongwiroj, Acting Permanent Secretary, said that alcohol affects blood circulation resulting in the heart having to work harder to distribute blood and increasing blood pressure. The ultimate consequence could be a stroke, which could be fatal at low room temperatures.

Although alcohol makes drinkers feel warm for a short while, it actually causes the body temperature to fall to a level lower than normal, which could be dangerous in the winter, he said.

Public Health Minister Pinij Charusombat said he had instructed public-health offices across the country to educate local residents on preventive measures against wintertime illnesses including pneumonia, influenza and diarrhoea.

Meanwhile, a survey of Chulalongkorn University students released yesterday revealed that more than 65 per cent of university students regularly drink alcohol, as do 40 per cent of high-school students.

Of the 500 university students polled, 328 of them said they were regular drinkers, said lecturer Amornwich Nakhonthap, director of the university's Child Watch programme, which conducted the survey. The average age at which those surveyed began drinking was 16, while the youngest reported age was eight.

Citing information from a 2004 survey, Amornwich said that 40 per cent of junior high-school students surveyed admitted to drinking regularly and another 23 per cent said they smoked.

He added that according to a Criminal Court analysis alcohol contributed to 59 per cent of crimes involving damage to property, 34 per cent of sex crimes (plus 10 per cent of rapes) and 20 per cent of assaults.

He said Child Watch found that more than 9,000 students under the age of 25 had been involved in road accidents while under the influence of alcohol. The total number of road accidents caused by intoxicated people in Thailand reached 13,000 this year, injuring more than 270,000 people.

[brucelee]

Originally Posted by KatoeyLover69

First Floor
The busy corner of Nana Plaza is located on the far right side. It includes Rainbow 2, Hollywood, Playskool and Rainbow 1. In these bars altogether you will find a few hundreds of girls.....

Bro, good review of Patpong and Nana, up you......looking forward to your review on Soi Cowboy, my favorite place cos there is less hustling........

[KatoeyLover69]

Secrets of Thai bar girl pay revealed

How much do Thai bar girls get paid? Here are their terms and conditions - plus those of brothel workers and massage girls too. The benefits package isn't very tempting but, on the plus side, they meet lots of interesting new people and get laid all the time.

Bar girls

Bar girls' salaries range from 2,000 to 6,000 baht per month. Here are some of their work rules :-

* Only two days off permitted a month, or they must pay 300 baht a day for extra leave days.
* No leave permitted on Fridays, Saturdays and national holidays. Otherwise, fines range from 500 to 1,000 baht a day.
* Must go out with the clients four to 10 times a month or pay fine of 500 baht for each missed quota.
* Must sell 80-100 drinks to clients or pay 30 baht a drink for the missed quota.
* Must have health check-up every three months. If the blood test is positive for sexually transmitted diseases, they will not get the salary for that month.
* Must wear the outfits arranged by the bars or pay the fine of 100 to 200 baht.
* Must not use the clients' restrooms.
* Must not eat during work hours.
* Must buy own drinking water.

Brothel workers

Sex workers in brothels do not get a salary. They get a 50 percent share of what the clients pay. Here are their work rules:

* Work hours start from 6pm to midnight or around the clock depending on clients' visits.
* No days off.
* Must stay in brothels or in the places set by the brothel owner.
* Must pay the police 50 baht a day.
* Must pay for food and accommodation 200 baht a day.
* Must pay for condoms.
* Must have health check-ups once a week.
* Those who are indebted to the brothel owner must be accompanied by brothel personnel when they go out.

Massage women

Sex workers at massage parlours do not get a salary. They get their share from what the clients pay for the service. Here are their work rules:

* Must follow the work hours set by the business operator.
* Must inform leave days in advance.
* Must meet the number of clients set by the operator.
* Must observe the dress code set by the operator.

[KatoeyLover69]

Soi Cowboy is an adult nightlife area in Bangkok, Thailand. A short street with some 40 bars, it is similar to Nana Plaza and Patpong and caters mainly to tourists and expatriates.

It is located near Sukhumvit Road, between Sukhumvit Soi 21 (also called Soi Asoke) and Soi 23 (13°44′12.5″N, 100°33′45″E), within walking distance from the SkyTrain's "Asok Station" and the underground's "Sukhumvit Station".

The go go bars follow the pattern common in Thailand: alcoholic drinks are served and women in bikinis dance on a stage. Topless or even nude dancing occasionally occurs in some bars, but it is technically illegal. Many of the dancers are in fact prostitutes and will join a customer if he pays a "bar fine" to the bar and a separate fee to the woman. Sexual services usually take place in the tourist's hotel room. Bars and nightclubs in all of Bangkok now have to close by 1 am. There are also a number of restaurants at Soi Cowboy, including what is perhaps Bangkok's best known fish and chips shop.

The area is named after T. G. Edwards, a retired American airman who opened one of the first bars there in 1973. A tall African-American, Edwards got his nickname because he invariably wore a cowboy hat.

Soi Cowboy's reputation suffered a temporary blow when, as part of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra "social order" campaign, the area was closed off by police one Friday night in November 2003 and all workers and patrons were required to submit to urine testing for drugs.

During the 2004 International AIDS Conference in Bangkok, a bead sculpture made in Soi Cowboy was displayed as part of the cultural program.


Films and songs

In 2000, the Norwegian group Getaway People released a song called Soi Cowboy about this area.

Actor Hugh Grant and his entourage visited Soi Cowboy in December 2003, while shooting the movie Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason. The Tilac Bar and several Soi Cowboy bar girls are seen in the film. A London tabloid, The Sun, wrote in an article on 23 December 2003 that Grant was chased by bar girls and had to flee, but that appears to be false.

Two 1-hour episodes of the British comedy/drama Auf Wiedersehen, Pet were shot in the Summer of 2004 in Bangkok, partly in Soi Cowboy.

The bars Moonshine Joint and Dollhouse appear in Jordan Clark's 2005 documentary Falang: Behind Bangkok's Smile which takes a rather critical view of sex tourism.

[KatoeyLover69]

Soi Cowboy, along with Patpong and the Nana Entertainment Plaza, is a complex of Go Go bars (i.e., air conditioned bars where hookers dance on stage) that cater to male tourists looking to party and bang some of the Orient's hottest women. Soi Cowboy is basically a short street with about 25 bars lined up back-to-back, each bar walking distance from each other. In the bars you will find some of Bangkok's hottest babes who will drop their panties - yes, they all fuck! It is one of the best night spots in Bangkok to go. If you missed Soi Cowboy on your trip, well, you really missed it!

All the girls who work in Soi Cowboy, with few exceptions, are hookers. They are there for one reason and one reason only: to get your money (in exchange of some good sex, of course). The age of the girls average's at the low to mid twenties. No, you won't find any children working the sex industry here.

Few of the girls speak much in the way of English. Some don't speak any at all. Once you get past the, "What's your name?", "Where you from?", "Where you stay?" stage, the conversation will die quick. That is, unless you speak Thai.

Most of the bar girls have migrated to Bangkok to work the sex industry. If you ask them where they were born, they will usually say in the Northeast (Isan). Few are originally from Bangkok, particularly the Soi Cowboy area.

Sex is a given. Virtually every girl will let you screw her, provided you pay of course. Don't be shy to approach any babe. She is there to service you.

The bar girls range in looks from nasty ugly to "Will you marry me now!" Most are fairly short (under 5'6") and weigh under 100 pounds. With the few exceptions of those who have dyed their hair reddish/brown, they have black, silky hair. Most have rather dark complexions and dark brown/black eyes. Many are in need of some dental work. All, with few exceptions, are Buddhist.

Many of the girls do not give head. If you want a blow job, be sure to ask the girl if she " smokes ". Smoke is slang for blow job.

Many of the girls got pregnant from a Thai boy at an early age (ahh, so the local studs get them first, then we get the left overs. So that's how it works!). When the Thai boy dumps the girl and baby, she turns to the sex industry to find money to support the kid. If you wish to take a girl who has no baby (those who do often have thrashed breasts and stomachs), be sure to ask her, "You have baby?" If she says she does, best you pass and move on to another girl.

All-in-all, you will be blown away at how friendly, sensual and open the Thai bar girls are. They are there to meet you, yes, regardless of your age, your weight and if you have hair on your head or not. When you show up, they will treat you like a god. This is why millions and millons of tourists, mostly male, come to Thailand and visit Soi Cowboy every year. It is heaven on earth and the bar girls make it so.