Understanding Vietnamese Life Partner

[SingViet]

Originally Posted by papillon30

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily

Dong With The Wind

hahahha.. good one bro. So bros who cheong heavily better watch out, don't be too proud of playing this and that gal out for the sake of free sex. Nothing is free, one day you will pay a heavy price for yr actions

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by SingViet

hahahha.. good one bro. So bros who cheong heavily better watch out, don't be too proud of playing this and that gal out for the sake of free sex. Nothing is free, one day you will pay a heavy price for yr actions

Hahaha...i posted this in the tieng viet thread...agree that dun fool around too much and take your em yeu or baxa for granted...

[jackbl]

U used to say she coming on January

Originally Posted by casannova03

Well, if everything goes as planned, she should be here between 2-3 mths time ba...i also not very sure..

[Honey Boon]

they are super jeoulous people..... if I can't own "it" by myself, I might as well cut it off, hate to share it with other girls ....

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

Hahaha...i posted this in the tieng viet thread...agree that dun fool around too much and take your em yeu or baxa for granted...

[69ASIMO69]

Saw the reply from 1 of the bro thats says when they submitting the Long term pass application over at ICa counter, The officer only ask the applicant r u pregnant. Any cons and pros for the applicant to be pregnant or not? pregnant can get the approval more easy or? Can any bro advise?

[casannova03]

Originally Posted by 69ASIMO69

Saw the reply from 1 of the bro thats says when they submitting the Long term pass application over at ICa counter, The officer only ask the applicant r u pregnant. Any cons and pros for the applicant to be pregnant or not? pregnant can get the approval more easy or? Can any bro advise?

My View

I think your madam being pregnant will put you in a better position as compared to non-pregnant. This is because, your marriage will be deemed to be "more genuine" compared to many other Sing-Viet marriages. As we know, many such scam marriages are around. Their bet is that the fake couple will not go to the extent of having a child for the immigration passes.

My experiences

For myself, after ROM i applied both the LTSVP and PR. The LTSVP(one-year) was given but the PR(at this time not pregnant) was rejected. I was told to try again 6 months later....

6 months later tried applied PR again (At this time pregnant)....Got the PR after the usual processing time....

Other Factors

However, I do not think that they look at just your wives pregnancy as a gauge of whether to approve the PR. This is just one of the factor that will add or minus some points. I have a friend whose wife has been arrested for change of passport without declaring on the "white card". She was subsequently charged and had to do time for 3 mths for immigration offences. She was allowed to get married and was given short-term pass that had to be renewed every now and then. Even though her child is coming to 3 yrs old now, they still reject her PR application...

So, I guess they look at a combination of factors before they pass the verdict and its not just based on a woman's pregnancy alone - although i feel being pregnant does help a little.

Hope that my personal and friend's experiences help you in some way!

Cheers!

[casannova03]

Originally Posted by jackbl

U used to say she coming on January

Yeah but met with some logistics and personnel problems so it has been delayed since....

[SingViet]

many vietnamese ladies think that singapore is short of babies, thus if they get pregnant, they sure can get PR or Citizenship. WAKE UP!!!! Whether yr viet spouse is pregnant or not doesn't influence whether yr wife can get PR. ICA considers the singaporean husband's ability to feed the wife. Some things they consider include present and past income, educational level, past criminal records etc. Besides that, the viet spouse educational level and any past criminal records in Singapore. Think about it, if the singaporean guy already cannot feed himself, how is he going to feed his foreign wife and child? I still remember some years back, there was a newspaper report on The Straits Times stating that whether the foreign wife is pregnant or not will not influence the chances of the foreign wife getting Singapore PR. I was once told by an immigration officer that ICA follows the normal marriage progression very closely. They are very cautious about foreign woman being pregnant at the time of marriage as they do not wish it to be a case where the foreign woman got pregnant by another non-singaporean guy but get married to a singaporean guy hoping that the child will be singaporean. So think twice about saying `YES, my wife is 4 months pregnant but we are married for just 2 weeks' , once u make this statement, u can say BYE BYE to yr LYSVP or PR unless u can prove that the child is yrs by DNA testing after the birth of the child. Singapore needs babies, but not that desperate yet .

[jackbl]

A fren asked whether he can ROM a viet gal in sgp and then married another gal but just by inviting family & fren to a dinner and not sign on paper. Will he be punished by law?

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by jackbl

A fren asked whether he can ROM a viet gal in sgp and then married another gal but just by inviting family & fren to a dinner and not sign on paper. Will he be punished by law?

should not be punishable by law. However, if he do not handle properly, he may appear in the news as below.

Originally Posted by papillon30

Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily

Dong With The Wind

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by jackbl

A fren asked whether he can ROM a viet gal in sgp and then married another gal but just by inviting family & fren to a dinner and not sign on paper. Will he be punished by law?

Originally Posted by KangTuo

should not be punishable by law. However, if he do not handle properly, he may appear in the news as below.

Definitely punishable by Sin law for bigamy...pls read the story below...apologise to those who read this story before:

The Electric New Paper :
S'pore woman exposes hubby to authorities after he secretly takes Vietnam wife
IT'S HARD TO ACCEPT THAT HUBBY SLEPT WITH HER
Wife later regrets blowing the whistle on hubby's bigamy, so she writes pleading letter to court
JUST three months after getting married here, a Singaporean man flew to Ho Chi Minh City and secretly wed another woman.
By Chong Shin Yen

22 July 2008
JUST three months after getting married here, a Singaporean man flew to Ho Chi Minh City and secretly wed another woman.

Mr Vincent Seow Kok Ann, 34, a marketing manager at a property agency, wanted his 'second wife', a Vietnamese, to live in Singapore.

So he bribed a former client to enter into a sham marriage with her here.

Mr Seow's wife later found out about his secret marriage and reported him to the authorities.

All three - Mr Seow, his Vietnamese lover and her bogus husband - ended up in court.

PLEAD FOR LENIENCY

But in a twist, Mr Seow's wife, Madam Khoo Bee Lin, 34, wrote a letter to the court to help him plead for leniency.

In it, the housewife said: 'It was hard initially to forgive, knowing that my husband had slept with another woman and had whispered 'I love you' to someone else.

'But seeing that he is remorseful and had regretted his actions, I have forgiven him.'

She also said that Mr Seow had committed the offence in a moment of folly.

'The most disheartening and sad fact was that it was his wife, me, who had turned him in.

'It was my most regrettable action and I will always live with this guilt.'

Madam Khoo added that since the authorities began investigating her husband in 2006, her mind has not been at peace.

'Loyalty and faithfulness were part of the commitments we undertook when we got married.

'He was unfaithful by falling in love with another woman. But I was disloyal when I betrayed him to CPIB (Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau),' she wrote in the letter.

'The disruption to his career, the shame we faced among our relatives, the damage to his reputation, are already much punishment for his misdeed.'

The bizarre tale of love, betrayal and forgiveness was played out in court earlier this month, when Mr Seow pleaded guilty to one charge of bigamy.

Another charge of bribery was taken into consideration during sentencing. He was jailed a week and fined $6,000.

Madam Khoo was in court to support him when he was sentenced.

The court heard that Mr Seow had met his Vietnamese lover, Miss Nguyen Thi Lan, 26, in October 2004, when she was here to study English.

He was interested in her and courted her.

About two months later, on 3 Jan the next year, Mr Seow tied the knot with Madam Khoo. But that did not stop him from continuing his relationship with Miss Nguyen.

He told her that he had married but she was not deterred by this fact.

CUSTOMARY WEDDING

They flew to Vietnam and held a customary wedding on 19 Apr that year.

She asked him to hold a wedding dinner to 'legitimise' their relationship in the eyes of her relatives there.

It was attended by Miss Nguyen's family and photographs were taken.

But Mr Seow did not register his marriage to Miss Nguyen in Vietnam, as he believed that the authorities there would check his marital status with the Singapore side.

Under the law, a married person can be convicted of bigamy if he marries again here or elsewhere. This applies even if the second marriage is a customary one.

The couple returned to Singapore after their wedding.

Mr Seow then approached Mr Richard Gan Mun Yuen to enter into a sham marriage with Miss Nguyen.

He had got to know Mr Gan in 2003, when the latter contacted him to sell his Potong Pasir flat.

Mr Gan was supposed to pay him $5,000 in commission after the sale. But he was in the midst of a divorce at that time and could not pay.

Mr Seow told Mr Gan that if he was willing to marry Miss Nguyen, he would deduct $2,000 from the $5,000 owed to him.

Mr Gan agreed, and on 27 Jun that year, he married her at the Registry of Marriages here. The ceremony was witnessed by Mr Seow and his friend.

Some time later, Mr Gan and Miss Nguyen went to the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) and she managed to get her social visit pass extended.

Mr Seow and Miss Nguyen continued their affair.

It was not mentioned in court how Madam Khoo found out about their secret marriage in Vietnam.

But on 27 Mar 2006, she called and informed the ICA about it. The case was later referred to the CPIB.

Miss Nguyen was charged this year with making a false statement in her application for a social visit pass on 9Mar 2006.

She was fined $4,000 after she pleaded guilty. Another similar charge was taken into consideration during sentencing.

She has since returned to Vietnam.

Mr Gan faced three charges of graft and making false statements to the ICA.

He was jailed three months in February this year.

As for Mr Seow, his lawyer, Mr Anand Nalachandran, told the court that he has reconciled with his wife. The couple have a 20-month-old son.

Mr Seow was released earlier this month after serving his jail term.

When contacted by The New Paper, he declined comment, except to say: 'A lot of damage has been done already.'

Since 2004, at least 12 other people have been jailed between four months and a year for entering into sham marriages.

The CPIB opened files on at least 140 suspects in 2006, more than four times the number it handled in the whole of 2005.

For bigamy, Mr Seow could have been jailed seven years and fined.


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[jackbl]

Thanks bro. The below is the most important from the extract:

Under the law, a married person can be convicted of bigamy if he marries again here or elsewhere. This applies even if the second marriage is a customary one.

[SingViet]

Originally Posted by jackbl

Thanks bro. The below is the most important from the extract:

Under the law, a married person can be convicted of bigamy if he marries again here or elsewhere. This applies even if the second marriage is a customary one.

wah lao bro. U have been around the vietnam scene for a few years roi, u still don't know how things operate in Vietnam meh? Yes, u are not supposed to be married to more than one lady at any one time in Singapore, but in Vietnam, anything is possible with $$$$$. Even if you have a customary marriage, its still not recognised under singapore law. As long as you don't have one more valid marriage certificate in vietnam, u don't need to worry. That lady in vietnam is still considered as yr mistress, and who will care whether how many mistress u have elsewhere?

[SingViet]

Read the news carefully la, that chap got implicated because of the faked marriage and false declaration to ICA. So if u want to have a mistress, keep her in Vietnam and don't bring her here. Bring to singapore, yr wife will kill you and ICA will kill you too

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by SingViet

Read the news carefully la, that chap got implicated because of the faked marriage and false declaration to ICA. So if u want to have a mistress, keep her in Vietnam and don't bring her here. Bring to singapore, yr wife will kill you and ICA will kill you too

Hahaha...very important message...took me quite a while to dig this news...never forget this news...