Vietnam - HCM

[snipeshot08]

Originally Posted by Wendella

Strange take. You wouldn't be searching at all -- you would be looking at a short list of the subjects all there on one page. Seeing those topics in one glance is far easier than clicking and scrolling through pages of individual posts about all kinds of subjects randomly mixed up together. It's not more work, it's far less.

That link I posted here earlier of the other forum, I get the feeling you didn't click it and take a look. The format is so obviously superior to what we have here. So much easier to use. It's more logical and sensible, and the forum itself is more interesting. There's more depth and substance. There's far more info and the info's easier to find. It's just plain better.

What we have here is a forum that's been transformed into a semi-private chat room.

Looks like I really have to simplify it until it is a "no-way you can misunderstand" kind of explanation.

The reason I said it is more work for me is very simple (me, me, not you, not the moderator, not any newbies looking for quick info).

Based on your abovementioned procedures, whenever I want to post something in the HCM thread I will have to do this (this is assuming we are already in the HCM thread),

01) Step 1 - scroll to search for the subject matter (e.g. Massage)
02) Step 2 - click to go to that subject matter
03) Step 3 - click "reply" to post in that subject matter

as opposed to what I can do now which is,

01) Step 1 - click "reply" to post in the HCM thread

Now what I meant was, I would rather prefer to take only 1 step instead of 3 steps, which I classify as MORE WORK.

Now no matter how it is being linguistically articulated or how it is being cleverly explained it will never take away the fact that more steps are required for me, you can write a whole thesis about it and yet this fact still stays.

If you still think that 3 steps is lesser work than 1 step, than I declare you the ultimate winner in this matter, no need for any further replies from me anymore.

What you are saying that its is easier or lesser work is on the standpoint of somebody looking for information only, not me or those similar "culprits" engaging in those "semi-private chat room" cos when we need information we either use the Search Function or simply calls each other.

Cheerios.....SS08 ^_^ .

[Wendella]

Trust me, I'm not misunderstanding you.

You skipped the key inescapable step of your format, which is the scrolling thru all the messages and reading of all those messages.

For example, one guy just posted 11 of messages in a row prior to my last one. On my laptop, I can see about 1 or 1 1/2 of each at a time onscreen. You have to read each one individually to know what the topic of each one is. That's not to even mention all the people who posted prior to that in the time since I last visited. That's a lot of reading and scrolling through irrelevant stuff for anyone to do, whether they're new here or not.

If all those posts were under topics, it'd be easy to skip all that reading and scrolling, just choose the topics you want to read. (And not like "Massage" -- the topics should have titles that the person posting the first message creates. From your replies, I can't tell if you understood that idea I mentioned earlier.)

In terms of scrolling -- With my way, 10-15 topics titles can be seen onscreen at once. You can bypass all the posts you have no interest in. For a person visiting every day or 2, there would rarely be any scrolling to do at all through these topics. There would rarely be more new topics or ones with new posts than would fit on one screen. You wouldn't need to 'search' for a topic -- it would be right there looking back at you the moment the page loaded. Instant. Zero work.

And no, this wouldn't help just people looking for info, but anyone who comes here who doesn't personally know the regulars. Basically, the public. To put it another way, is there anything in the last 100 posts here that someone coming here other than the regulars would have any interest in reading? And even if there is, what % of those 100 are chat and inside jokes?

So I'm not just talking about 'info' -- I think any kind of interesting discussion in general is discouraged by this single rolling thread format.

Anyway, please don't take any of this personally. It's not intended to be. Just healthy debate. I mean, chances are pretty low of getting a new format instituted, we both know that. Tho I don't agree with your conclusions, it's good and interesting to hear your thoughts.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Wendella

Strange take. You wouldn't be searching at all -- you would be looking at a short list of the subjects all there on one page.

Originally Posted by snipeshot08

[B]Looks like I really have to simplify it until it is a "no-way you can misunderstand" kind of explanation.

Let me illustrate what Wendella is trying to say ;

Under the International Forums Thread: we can have
Heading - ASIA
Sub Headings - All the countries in ASIA
I click on the Country I want to go to : EG - Vietnam and it would show several threads in it:

HCMC Hotels
HCMC BARS
HCMC Eating Places
HCMC PLACES OF INTEREST
(This format is borrowed from another forum)

I can click on whichever one that is of interest to me and I can get the info I want. No Hassels. This is already present here. We have one international thread and a Malaysian thread.

Facilitating this changes will of course have to come from the "owners / moderators".

There is an upside / downside to the above-mentioned format.

Upside - It makes it very very much mote efficient for the user to be able to find the relevant info he/she requires

Downside - If there are no regular updates, the thread dies off and takes up "storage space"

Having a single thread also has ups and downs (current format)

Upside - thread is constantly "moving".

Downside - having numerous postings about issues / topics that have totally no relevancy to the thread.

Having said this, I have a strong feeling that it would still not elimate the "Newbie going to HCMC. Can a senior bro please intro FL/Girl Friendly Hotel/ Bar / Disco?" kind of question. Having been here for sometime, it gets a bit tiresome to have to re-type the info over and over again.

[Wendella]

Sorry, no -- that's not actually a setup I'd advocate. Thanks though!

That's the ISG setup, which is not very good-- its very similar to this setup.

What I think works much better is one where the members can create specific topic titles, as on Thai360 - Thailand Nightlife - Thai360 - Powered by FusionBB.

So in an area for Bangkok Nightlife you might see topics like these, all written by members:

How many working on Soi Cowboy (4 new)
What Are The Joints With Girls Sitting Outside And Shiny Neon Lights? (2 new)
How many BGs have you had at one serving? (1 new)
Advice for going solo on Sukhumvit?
Coming to Bangkok in June - First time

they would be bold face type if they had new posts in them since your last visit, so you'd instantly know which ones you might want to check out.

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by Reaper

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Having said this, I have a strong feeling that it would still not elimate the "Newbie going to HCMC. Can a senior bro please intro FL/Girl Friendly Hotel/ Bar / Disco?" kind of question. Having been here for sometime, it gets a bit tiresome to have to re-type the info over and over again.

No, you can never eliminate the existence of goofballs. But to be seen, those guys would be forced to create a topic "Can senior please intro goofball to FL/GF hotel/bar/disco" which could much more easily be avoided by all seniors due to its standing out more clearly with its own title.

seriously, the other format would allow for a sticky for FAQ to deal with those kinds of questions - which would probably end up merely REDUCING but not eliminating goofball questions.

I got a strong sense in his last post that Snipeshot isn't very enthusiastic about going further down this road. This idea seems to have had an underwhelming response, and its been all downhill from there. I'd be perfectly comfortable leaving it at that.

[asiancigar]

Wow..... Brudder or maybe it is Zister Wendella... you doing research to write paper on 'Forums' for your PHD or what........

This also not.... that also not.... so pray tell what is........

Cheerz
AC

[asiancigar]

For your info.... PHD ======== PRESS HERE DUMMY

Cheerz
AC

[Wendella]

Originally Posted by asiancigar

Wow..... Brudder or maybe it is Zister Wendella... you doing research to write paper on 'Forums' for your PHD or what........

This also not.... that also not.... so pray tell what is........

Cheerz
AC

I understand it's a bit over your head, but try to show a bit of class, ok?

You might not like what I have to say, fine. Cheap shots I'd expect aren't cool here.

[Jackboy]

Just came back from Siagon, went to this club called Shadow.
Did a search but could not find any post in the forum on this club.
Shadow -
It's located at 45, Le Thanh Ton st, Q1.
I think Its opened for more than 6 months already.
Pretty crowded on a sat night.
Place look very posh. Girls are plentiful. Music not too loud.
There was a handful of PRs. Looks rate 7-8.
Managed to sian one syt looking PR and had dinner with her the following evening. Will closely follow up and hopefully I can hook her up during my next trip.

[Botarbolampar]

Originally Posted by v.killers

Kong go to which Province to catch chicken :D
So how many chicken you catch already :D:D

I just caught a wild bird kekekekekekeke

Originally Posted by naemlo

I'm going to Ha long soon :D

Wow nice place nice place

Originally Posted by Carrot007

Not easy to steal chicken in Ha Long... better to stop by Hai Phong and ta bao.

Kekekekeke ta bao maybe no stock too

Originally Posted by v.killers

ANH la 49 roi.....:rolleyes: di di oi....:D

My foot my foot.........anh ya roi cung dep lao waaaaaaa

[asiancigar]

Originally Posted by Wendella

I understand it's a bit over your head, but try to show a bit of class, ok?

You might not like what I have to say, fine. Cheap shots I'd expect aren't cool here.

Oh believe me it was never meant to be 'cheap'.......... less it be cheapen by you.

But i must say you are indeed a newbie with a bit of spunk and smegma.......

Thence, make you point and move on....... this is a forum for airing one's exploits and for sharing of experiences....... NOT A CAULDRON FOR PERSONAL DEBATE


Cheerz
AC

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Jackboy

Just came back from Siagon, went to this club called Shadow.
Did a search but could not find any post in the forum on this club.
Shadow -
It's located at 45, Le Thanh Ton st, Q1.
I think Its opened for more than 6 months already.
Pretty crowded on a sat night.
Place look very posh. Girls are plentiful. Music not too loud.
There was a handful of PRs. Looks rate 7-8.
Managed to sian one syt looking PR and had dinner with her the following evening. Will closely follow up and hopefully I can hook her up during my next trip.

It is located in Parkson in D1 at the corner of Le Thanh Ton & Dong Khoi. The entrance is on Le Thanh Ton on the right side of the parking entrance.

It used to be called Corners and was a very popular "after hours" place for druggies to "extend", After it was shut and re-opened, business went down. Sold off and new management called it SHADOW. The PR Manager & one of the Receptionist are personal friends of mine. One of the PR girls used to work at Club 27 and another one use to work at Barocco (She has a tatto on her waist line pointing down and I am sure there are a few here who will know who I am talking about.)

[jackbl]

What u mean? catch no ball

Originally Posted by Botarbolampar

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"].........anh ya roi cung dep lao waaaaaaa

[snipeshot08]

Originally Posted by Wendella

Trust me, I'm not misunderstanding you.

You skipped the key inescapable step of your format, which is the scrolling thru all the messages and reading of all those messages.

For example, one guy just posted 11 of messages in a row prior to my last one. On my laptop, I can see about 1 or 1 1/2 of each at a time onscreen. You have to read each one individually to know what the topic of each one is. That's not to even mention all the people who posted prior to that in the time since I last visited. That's a lot of reading and scrolling through irrelevant stuff for anyone to do, whether they're new here or not.

If all those posts were under topics, it'd be easy to skip all that reading and scrolling, just choose the topics you want to read. (And not like "Massage" -- the topics should have titles that the person posting the first message creates. From your replies, I can't tell if you understood that idea I mentioned earlier.)

In terms of scrolling -- With my way, 10-15 topics titles can be seen onscreen at once. You can bypass all the posts you have no interest in. For a person visiting every day or 2, there would rarely be any scrolling to do at all through these topics. There would rarely be more new topics or ones with new posts than would fit on one screen. You wouldn't need to 'search' for a topic -- it would be right there looking back at you the moment the page loaded. Instant. Zero work.

And no, this wouldn't help just people looking for info, but anyone who comes here who doesn't personally know the regulars. Basically, the public. To put it another way, is there anything in the last 100 posts here that someone coming here other than the regulars would have any interest in reading? And even if there is, what % of those 100 are chat and inside jokes?

So I'm not just talking about 'info' -- I think any kind of interesting discussion in general is discouraged by this single rolling thread format.

Anyway, please don't take any of this personally. It's not intended to be. Just healthy debate. I mean, chances are pretty low of getting a new format instituted, we both know that. Tho I don't agree with your conclusions, it's good and interesting to hear your thoughts.

Nevermind its okay since you insisted Black is White just for the sake of proving your point

I will just concede your conclusion just simply to end this debate cos I'll rather be engaging in the "irritating chit-chatting but at least with information and reports thrown in" with my other pals. Much better than those that simply wants information fast and easy without any contribution and complained frequently when it doesn't happens.

Dun worry I won't take this personally but just that I gets crankier when I get older by the seconds....

My very last reply to any of your post...tada.....

Cheerios.....SS08 ^_^

[snipeshot08]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Let me illustrate what Wendella is trying to say ;

Under the International Forums Thread: we can have
Heading - ASIA
Sub Headings - All the countries in ASIA
I click on the Country I want to go to : EG - Vietnam and it would show several threads in it:

HCMC Hotels
HCMC BARS
HCMC Eating Places
HCMC PLACES OF INTEREST
(This format is borrowed from another forum)

I can click on whichever one that is of interest to me and I can get the info I want. No Hassels. This is already present here. We have one international thread and a Malaysian thread.

Facilitating this changes will of course have to come from the "owners / moderators".

There is an upside / downside to the above-mentioned format.

Upside - It makes it very very much mote efficient for the user to be able to find the relevant info he/she requires

Downside - If there are no regular updates, the thread dies off and takes up "storage space"

Having a single thread also has ups and downs (current format)

Upside - thread is constantly "moving".

Downside - having numerous postings about issues / topics that have totally no relevancy to the thread.

Having said this, I have a strong feeling that it would still not elimate the "Newbie going to HCMC. Can a senior bro please intro FL/Girl Friendly Hotel/ Bar / Disco?" kind of question. Having been here for sometime, it gets a bit tiresome to have to re-type the info over and over again.

You of all person should know I definitely know what he is trying to say ...... simply sub-threads within a thread, a mini-forum in itself instead of a single HCM thread.

The definition of "more work" is relative to the person that says it, which is why I say it is more work because to me it is more work (which I kept emphasizing it is me, me and not him, moderators or newbies...ETC).

But unfortunately he insists that to me it is NOT more work, so I guess he knows me better than myself so I rather admit defeat, how to argue with such a ..............

Anyway end of my comments on this issue, again my last post on this issue.....tada.....

Cheerios......SS08 ^_^