14-year-old jumps to his death after unaccompanied police interrogation for Molest

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Wah Seh. Brother. You are right. I really never see where the parents claimed that he was coerced. According to TOC,

While waiting for the train at the MRT station, Mdm Teng asked Benjamin if he had indeed molested the girl. Benjamin told her he had not.

She then asked him, “Why then did you confess?”

According to Mdm Teng, this was what Benjamin said: “You say I am guilty, I’m guilty then.”

Mdm Teng said she told her son that he should not have admitted to the crime if he did not do it.

Got mention police force him? Mentioned where sia? I want to read. Or you assumed that police is guilty? You the judge now?

You answered your own question.

It was not the mother that made dead boy confessed he is guilty, it was SPF that made dead boy confessed during interrogation.

How SPF made dead boy confessed during interrogation, many netizens have shared their own past experiences with SPF. This is what the article is all about. It is not about dead boy guilty or not. Only the Judge can decide that.

It was also dead boy that told mother he did not do it which was why mother told dead boy not to confess if he did not do it.

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by 77guy

Tho i dun like the men in blue...can i ask honestly how many think the boy is realli innocent, mean din molest the girl. Do alot of u guys realli think the police nothing better to do n try accuse the boy for something he did not commit?

Lets be fair...if u pity a young(14yo) life lost here...how can u not pity the 11yo little gal being molested??Wat would be going thru her young 11yo mind after going thru her ordeal of being molested which will long affect her life for a long long time.

We all in sbf becos we are hump sup...i for one admit this fact, but to go molest a 11yo is something totally different and off the limit.

Maybe we have the internet to blame with easy access to porn compare to my time when normally getting porn is thru video tapes we found in our parents cupboard... but i will choose to give my sympathy to the 11yo gal than to the 14yo boy in this case....

We all make mistake when young...joined teen gang b4 myself...involve in fights...but to molest a 11yo is not among my list of forgivable wrong things.

Imagine 14yo commits molest(and if get away too lightly)...wat else next when turn 18yo or 20s...rape??

You are sick in the mind and out of point like countryman. You did not read what the dead boy's family said before commenting.

The dead boy's family said he did not do it and he was coerced to plead guilty by police.

You want to play Judge and pronounce the dead boy guilty when even the authorities did not say so?

The dead boy was not charge by SPF after 3 hours of interrogation.

You want to play Fortune Teller and can predict the dead boy's future? You work at which temple?

You deserve to stay in a place where there is no Judicial System and no trials. A place whereby authorities are always right and if they say you are guilty, you must be guilty. Your paradises include North Korea, ISIS and China.

When you get summon by police, stick to your own words and be quiet if the police say you are guilty.

[countryman]

This "kuasimi" is a fool, he thinks he is so smart ! What the dead's boy family said u must believe ah? What makes u think the family is saying the truth? Of cos now they are trying to push the blame to the police..
This "kuasimi" is talking as though he was there to witness everything! LOL
Actually he's just stirring shit here !

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by countryman

Respect the law and be law abiding u won't have to go through being lock-up n TWICE some more! Goosh, seriously u should reflect on yourself instead of blaming the SPF! What treatment are u expecting to get? It is a police lock-up n not club med. U expect the policeman or policewoman to say nice consoling words to u ah! Spare a thought for the constables, u think it is so easy handling criminals in the lock-up everyday? They are also earning a decent living out there.
Please lah, grow up n wake up your ideas!

You are out of point. Nobody is saying disobey the law.

It is how law enforcers treat citizens which is the question. Even criminals have their rights.

You deserve to stay in a place where there is no Judicial System and no trials. A place whereby authorities are always right and can do anything to you. If they say you are guilty, you must be guilty. Your paradises include North Korea, ISIS and China.

When you get summon by police, stick to your own words and be quiet if the police say you are guilty.

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by countryman

This "kuasimi" is a fool, he thinks he is so smart ! He is acting as though he was there to witness everything! LOL
Actually he's just stirring shit here !

I think the smart ass is you.

You played God, played Judge, played Fortune Teller and all without evidence.

You are constantly out of point.

This thread is about the process flaws from school to interrogation.

You kept harping that the dead boy was guilty and thus deserve the rough treatment from SPF just to defend SPF and PAP.

Whether dead boy guilty or not, only the legal process and Judge can say so.

Even if dead boy is guilty, the process flaws from school to police interrogation remains.

[countryman]

Same goes to u.. U are just uttering nonsense n playing mr know all! Please don't stir shit here lah....
LOL.....

[kuasimi]

“I wanna be friends with you in my next life”, grieves friend of 14-year-old who committed suicide after police interrogation

By The Independent - February 1, 2016


http://theindependent.sg/i-wanna-be-...interrogation/





Socio-political website, The Online Citizen, yesterday published an article which detailed how a 14-year-old boy jumped to his death, off a ledge outside his 14th-floor flat in Yishun, after unaccompanied police interrogation in a case of outrage of modesty.

A person who claims to be the friend of the boy who died, has now expressed grief in the most heartbreaking way in a comment to the article.

Kenneth Tan said, “Ben you were my most loyal friend. We’ve met since day 1 of sec 1 we often quarrel but those were my precious moments. If possible i wanna be friends with you on my next life.

“You were the only one that always eat chicken rice with me for the past 3 years. Now i have no one to eat with,pls come back.”





Other commenters on his grieving post have offered comfort to the friend of the deceased.

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by countryman

Same goes to u.. U are just uttering nonsense n playing mr know all!
LOL.....

You are wrong, I did not know anything.

There are some clear cut problems in this case which was how the school and SPF mishandled the dead boy. This part everybody knows base on public articles on Internet and MSM. The SPF even promise to review its procedures because of this case.

Only you seem to know everything. You know the dead boy was guilty of molesting the girl but cannot produce evidence. You also know the school and SPF did nothing wrong. You know everything was the dead boy's fault. So you are the smartest ass.

[countryman]

Oh whatever blah blah blah blah....
That's enough of stirring shit here lah...
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.....

[kuasimi]

GHUI WRITES: Did police presume the 14-year-old was guilty at the onset of investigations?

By The Independent - February 2, 2016


http://theindependent.sg/ghui-writes...nvestigations/



By: Ghui

Being a teenager is a tricky period even in the best of times. Facing adolescence in the glare of social media coupled with modern day school pressures must make it an even more confusing time. My heart really goes out to the family of teenager Benjamin Lee (http://theindependent.sg/i-wanna-be-...interrogation/) whose suicide after a police interrogation has now made headlines in Singapore.

A few issues of concern have been raised since this episode and for this death not to have been in vain, lessons have to be learnt in how we handle interrogations of minors.

From the few police statements that have been made, it would appear that the police have already presumed Lee’s guilt. Whatever has happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? While Singapore prides itself on its efficiency, has that seeped into our law enforcement system to our detriment? Is everything so results oriented that having a cased solved becomes more of an overriding concern than the welfare of a minor?

More disturbing is the revelation that guardians or parents are not permitted to be present with minors when they are being interrogated. (http://theindependent.sg/death-of-14...ays-filmmaker/)

Apparently the police are concerned that if parents or guardians are present, they would not get the truth. For this to be true, the minor in question would have to be a very confident and savvy kid who is well acquainted with the legal system which I suspect is very rare.

Why then is a practice developed to safeguard something that is reasonably rare at the expense of the welfare of a minor? Could this be a hangover from the 60s and 70s when kids grew up fast and gangsterism was rife? Are these concerns still relevant today?

I would imagine that having the reassuring presence of a parent or guardian present would give the minor in question the confidence to tell the truth!

Grown men have been known to confess to crimes they didn’t commit under a variety of circumstances. They might be manipulated, under duress or have no way to prove their innocence and just cave under the pressure of the barrage of accusations.

Remember, the interrogation room is not going to be a friendly atmosphere. It will likely be intimidating and unfamiliar. If adults fall prey to false confessions, much less an adolescent who is plucked out of the security of school and plunged into the scary environment of a police station all within a matter of hours without any time to even mentally prepare himself!

His statement “I did not do it, but since everyone thinks that I did it, then I did it” is particularly telling of his state of mind after the interrogation. As a teenager, he must have feared gossip, social media backlash and public ostracisation. He must have been led to believe that the evidence against him was so overwhelming that he had no way out.

This was a conclusion that he came to without the support of his parents or the advice of a legal adviser and may have not even been true! It may just have been an interrogation tactic!

Many may wonder why he would kill himself if he really were innocent. But that would be ignoring the emotional response that can occur as a result of a sudden and unexpected interrogation.

Remember, this isn’t a hardened criminal. This is a school boy who has most likely never seen the inside of an interrogation room outside of television!

Besides, even if he was guilty, he should still be protected as a minor and have his parents present! Guilty people have rights too, much less minors.

In our course to be efficient and get things done, have we forgotten that it is individuals that we are dealing with and not statistics and data? It isn’t just about closing the case. It is about solving it to ensure that justice is done and that minors are protected.

I think it is high time the police reviewed and updated their procedures when dealing with minors.

[kuasimi]

Originally Posted by countryman

Oh whatever blah blah blah blah....
That's enough of stirring shit here lah...
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.....

Do not start to divert attention, be on high horse and start accusing people of stirring shit just to defend your own agenda. Nobody is stirring shit here including the thousands of netizens making comments on Internet. This case is already a fact.

If everytime authorities are questionable and best way to cover up and sweep under carpet is to accuse people of stirring shit, then sooner or later Singapore will become worse than ISIS, China and North Korea.

Next time you get in trouble with authorities, you better stick to your words and keep quiet.

[kuasimi]

Death of 14-year-old who killed himself after police interrogation raises many issues says filmmaker

By The Independent - January 31, 2016


http://theindependent.sg/death-of-14...ays-filmmaker/


Filmmaker Martyn See has taken the Singapore Police Force to task for the unnatural death of a 14-year-old boy who allegedly committed suicide after the police interrogated him for a case of outrage of modesty.

Referring to a report on the suicide which said:

“The Secondary 3 boy was being investigated for molest before he fell from his 14th-storey window. He had been taken into police custody and released on bail on the same day of his death.

His mother said he had admitted to the crime during the police interview.
But when she later probed him, she said he told her: “I did not do it, but since everyone thinks that I did it, then I did it.”

The filmmaker commented:

“A 14-year-old has killed himself because he was investigated by the police.

Getting a call from the police in Singapore can wet the pants of many adults, let alone a 14-year-old boy. This is symptomatic of living in a state where police powers trump the legal rights of individuals.”

Mr See expressed that the death of the teenager raises many issues because teenagers may not know their legal rights.

Commenting on her post of the same teenager’s death, prominent blogger Kirsten Han said, “I knew that investigators are only required to allow access to legal counsel within an unspecified “reasonable time” but had no idea that parents/guardians aren’t even allowed in the room when a minor is questioned. This is stunningly bad practice – how can we be sure that a statement taken from an intimidated, frightened kid wasn’t coerced?”

“Lionel de Souza’s (former policeman) answer is also unacceptable. It almost reads as if he is coming from a position where the minor is guilty of something and having a parent would stop the police from getting it out of him. But wouldn’t allowing legal counsel be present actually help make sure everything is above board and due process be followed?”, Ms Han added.

Medical doctor and Singapore Democratic Party’s candidate in the last general election, Paul Tambyah, writing on Ms Han’s post said that this case can be brought up to the United Nations since we are signatories to the ‘Convention on the Rights of the Child‘.

Article 40 of the Convention requires:

“States Parties recognize the right of every child alleged as, accused of, or recognized as having infringed the penal law to be treated in a manner consistent with the promotion of the child’s sense of dignity and worth, which reinforces the child’s respect for the human rights and fundamental freedoms of others and which takes into account the child’s age and the desirability of promoting the child’s reintegration and the child’s assuming a constructive role in society.

“To be informed promptly and directly of the charges against him or her, and, if appropriate, through his or her parents or legal guardians, and to have legal or other appropriate assistance in the preparation and presentation of his or her defence”.

[kuasimi]

Case of the 14-year-old boy who committed suicide after police interrogation – Coroner’s Inquiry to be held says Police

By The Independent - February 1, 2016


http://theindependent.sg/case-of-the...d-says-police/


The Singapore Police Force (SPF) delivered a statement regarding the death of a 14-year-old boy who it had interrogated for an outrage of modesty case.

In the statement, the Police said it would be reviewing its procedures if it should allow an appropriate adult to be present when a young person is interviewed.

SPF STATEMENT IN FULL:

Police Statement on Death of 14-Year-Old Male Student Under Investigation for Outrage of Modesty

In this case, a Police report was lodged about a molestation. Based on CCTV evidence, Police officers went to conduct enquiries at a school. To keep investigations discreet, the officers went in plainclothes and in unmarked cars. After discussions with the school officials, and the viewing of the CCTV records, Benjamin was identified as the boy in the CCTV records. He was brought to the Principal’s office by a school official and was spoken with in the presence of a Police officer. Before he was brought back to Ang Mo Kio Division, he contacted his mother to inform her of the Police’s investigations. The Police officer also spoke to the mother.

While at Ang Mo Kio Division, he was interviewed by one Investigation Officer at his workstation in an open plan office with other workstations. He was fully cooperative during the interview. He was then released on bail and went back with his mother.

The Police have been asked whether it should review the procedure to allow an appropriate adult to be present when a young person is interviewed. The Police will review and address this issue.

Police investigations have not been completed. A Coroner’s Inquiry will be held upon the conclusion of investigations, where all the relevant facts will be presented to the State Coroner. At the inquiry, the family will also be able to raise all questions that they may have.

Benjamin’s passing was tragic. The Police have expressed their deepest condolences to the family. They have met the family to address their questions on the case and provide clarifications on the actions of the Police officers during their interaction with Benjamin.

[kuasimi]

“We will not stand in the way of law,” MOE responds

By The Independent - February 2, 2016



http://theindependent.sg/we-will-not...-moe-responds/


The Ministry of Education (MOE) responding to media queries about the case of the 14 year-old boy who committed suicide after police investigations said today that schools in Singapore are obligated to cooperate with the police.

Schools will try to ensure the well-being of their students in assisting the police with their investigations, but will “not stand in the way of law”, said MOE. There is also a a set of guidelines “which corresponds to the police’s guidelines on working with minors” the Ministry’s spokesperson said.

“This includes ascertaining the identities of the police officers who approach our schools,” MOE said. It explained that the school would speak to its student before the police speaks with him or her.

“The student’s parent or appointed guardian is also contacted before the student leaves with the police to assist in investigations. We will also ensure that our student is not hungry and has something to eat before leaving with the police,” MOE said.

Underpinning these guidelines is MOE’s belief that regardless of the trouble students may be in with the law, schools have a duty of care to its students, said the spokesperson.

“While the student is assisting in police investigations, the school will continue to keep in contact with the student and the parent/guardian to render the necessary support,” MOE said, adding that will keep the student’s identity and the nature of the case strictly confidential to protect the student’s privacy and dignity.

[Copperfield]

Originally Posted by kuasimi

You answered your own question.

It was not the mother that made dead boy confessed he is guilty, it was SPF that made dead boy confessed during interrogation.

How SPF made dead boy confessed during interrogation, many netizens have shared their own past experiences with SPF. This is what the article is all about. It is not about dead boy guilty or not. Only the Judge can decide that.

It was also dead boy that told mother he did not do it which was why mother told dead boy not to confess if he did not do it.

He said you to the mum rite? why assume he talking about the Police? Past reference means nothing to this case. If someone was convicted of theft in the past, no need to investigate meh? blame him can already?

My teacher last time accused me of stealing. I did not. He no believe me. He was wrong, does that mean he is wrong all the time? The police can be wrong in the past but that has nothing to do with this case. Will i kpkb about my teacher? i would, does that mean all teachers are evil? no reference lei. Ai yah, You read the article without an open mind.