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16-07-2017, 09:51 AM
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
Welcome to exchange point
16-07-2017, 09:55 AM
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Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
i aspire to be in deep red. pls zap me.
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16-07-2017, 10:42 AM
Samster (Donor)
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
Humble point for exchange.
Thank u all
16-07-2017, 10:57 AM
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
+13 available for +7 and above
pls PM me after upping for FASTER return
cheers
16-07-2017, 11:22 AM
Samster
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
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... pornster - returning 13 pts. Thanks ....
Good morning. Many thanks to you/all bro/sis for generous up/re-ups / returns. Greatly appreciated.
Wishing all a wonderful weekend/2017.
Note : All re-ups will be returned. I have 1,000 ups spread.
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Exchange for 3 pts minimum
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16-07-2017, 12:36 PM
Samster
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
Anyone want to exchange with my humble 4 point ? ( NB : u need to have at least a power 2 to trade )
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16-07-2017, 12:42 PM
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Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
+39 Rep Points To Exchange
Due to overwhelming Demands, I have decided to give priority to those who have +15 Rep Power & above
Not accepting exchange with Rep Power Below 15 till I clear the list
Users that have been Upped
( Click to show/hide ) Naka_Timo, 8waldz, francesco, Deskboard, overboard, luvit, cyberkoh88, owl888 , Supervert , lonebonker , siam66 , Koiz, El bistro, HuatAh16, szczesny, Sailsingapore, tropiccana, Exbro, Botakhead2, baigonggong, SureScore, madpig88, 4Dguru, powerkid, Hurricane88, HayDay, Bugging, Lamborghini, Belt, ItsEsther, Swagelock, marlboroken, bbbjkim, gilaxes, ktmakmak, Andrew101, Wu Song Jr, DevilChan78, Tingtonglove, justl00king, owen10, Passerbyer, Slyer, badboys, arse-nal, Sexy_lion, Linkus, Kalv, basfreak, i^Xi0n, randily, Yvonne123, izaaat, Lovelyboy, bababoo, PeroPero, apollo, crackpod, Cafu, Rangerous, yashlro, esssinine, Lemon2, Smoky7, Prince7, Sponge05, georgemagnum, Tai_zi21, ken6890, lone_dog69, forsaken101, Rasta Marley, ly1968, SAFFRONnation, aakumu, topcook1, ngengheng, sunhuan-con, surbana, needsing38, SteelX, hamsapkwai, ho-lee, wkc77, liewkc2503, max_priest, cavemanng, ah rat, loneyheart, seabass, hungten, simple2kee, NorthEast, gozoo, meatvegelove, F-boy, unicornboy, nokia3510, sianren, GOODFELLO, skyleon, CoCk shoCk, Informer, Shiofukis, Masakarius, aDeCaLs, S.B.Y.1, CaptAm, bk81665, schmeichel, brunt, Clownteaser, Furby85, kopigaogao, Pink2577, 3MOQ, smartke, Exbros, braxlex, ProjectAlice, kengng, PeaceKris, menshealth, Fansees, bk4ever, jjmagic, Mplover, justanewbie, vrossi1980, EnjoyLife99, Sleepyguy2, Slide2despair, dyelook, plsfloodme, riderboy, wally888, Ktvbuddy, 69sex, tookara, SiaSuay, simimabochap, OysterLover, TonyCheong2, Effendy, Tho66, lobowolf, imfirecracker, Penguin23, diputs1269
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16-07-2017, 12:57 PM
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Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
Humble point for exchange.
16-07-2017, 02:25 PM
Samster
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
17 green apples returned to Radical today
Another 17 green apples available for exchange today.
Green apples will be return daily.
Do join in the queue if you are interested.
Thank you
Note: Priority will be given to bros with the HIGHEST POWER.
Next To Up List: NewJiewAP (+3)
New Post Required KIV List: simb1 (+15), edvil (+13), goo_ey (+12), BroRock_ (+9), Thi-sen (+8), pixated (+7), SuperbLoverBoy (+5), plantronic (+4)
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16-07-2017, 03:54 PM
Samster (Donor)
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
Humble point for exchange.
Thank u all
16-07-2017, 04:11 PM
Sawadee Krup :D
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
+39 Rep Points To Exchange
Due to overwhelming Demands, I have decided to give priority to those who have +15 Rep Power & above
Not accepting exchange with Rep Power Below 15 till I clear the list
Users that have been Upped
( Click to show/hide ) Naka_Timo, 8waldz, francesco, Deskboard, overboard, luvit, cyberkoh88, owl888 , Supervert , lonebonker , siam66 , Koiz, El bistro, HuatAh16, szczesny, Sailsingapore, tropiccana, Exbro, Botakhead2, baigonggong, SureScore, madpig88, 4Dguru, powerkid, Hurricane88, HayDay, Bugging, Lamborghini, Belt, ItsEsther, Swagelock, marlboroken, bbbjkim, gilaxes, ktmakmak, Andrew101, Wu Song Jr, DevilChan78, Tingtonglove, justl00king, owen10, Passerbyer, Slyer, badboys, arse-nal, Sexy_lion, Linkus, Kalv, basfreak, i^Xi0n, randily, Yvonne123, izaaat, Lovelyboy, bababoo, PeroPero, apollo, crackpod, Cafu, Rangerous, yashlro, esssinine, Lemon2, Smoky7, Prince7, Sponge05, georgemagnum, Tai_zi21, ken6890, lone_dog69, forsaken101, Rasta Marley, ly1968, SAFFRONnation, aakumu, topcook1, ngengheng, sunhuan-con, surbana, needsing38, SteelX, hamsapkwai, ho-lee, wkc77, liewkc2503, max_priest, cavemanng, ah rat, loneyheart, seabass, hungten, simple2kee, NorthEast, gozoo, meatvegelove, F-boy, unicornboy, nokia3510, sianren, GOODFELLO, skyleon, CoCk shoCk, Informer, Shiofukis, Masakarius, aDeCaLs, S.B.Y.1, CaptAm, bk81665, schmeichel, brunt, Clownteaser, Furby85, kopigaogao, Pink2577, 3MOQ, smartke, Exbros, braxlex, ProjectAlice, kengng, PeaceKris, menshealth, Fansees, bk4ever, jjmagic, Mplover, justanewbie, vrossi1980, EnjoyLife99, Sleepyguy2, Slide2despair, dyelook, plsfloodme, riderboy, wally888, Ktvbuddy, 69sex, tookara, SiaSuay, simimabochap, OysterLover, TonyCheong2, Effendy, Tho66, lobowolf, imfirecracker, Penguin23, diputs1269
Will up users next in following order :
Priority List (Those with +15 Rep Power and above)
Empty
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( Click to show/hide ) cheeseL, nantboy7, bigbirdbird, nastythaiboy, Cash8877, CuriousSG, lobangkingz, rawboy83, KaraII, Cloudy80, hoian, sky_liner2, Toobee, asgapi, sky88, Amplus, Msuzu, iluvfish, alfang, applepie130, xqueen, antartica, Boarding, charcoalfilter, chatlovers, warbird, Goalie, xDylan, alphaoasis, Dinoroar, Usign, adlo, jonkoller, Saltyraw, fatspider, mecurix86, dobo, fatty1234, jay.lay, KREMIL, Botakhead, happywoody, Pompous, Shalala01, gadtark, Jay chou, vampangel, metascooter, Charlie130, draven78eric, ejectjoy, MattJB, Weiwe, newyorker88, hondalvin, overseasgboy, skyscrape, Icekeeper, MerlinW, FEDERER801, Xiaoboy18, jessieisabitch, siithh, jcang, shit8, Latexman, redapple26, pocketrocket, Greenfrog, kick_ass, 1447, Zeith, wohaha96, relvo, andrew9030, Kuan Aik Hong, digital_, albertchen123, SMGG, Me Siam Bu, chris91, tuyet, WahLan, ipay4six, ahlongkia, Megatronzombie, hockkie64, Oh yes, ronin_dark, andythai, nixjrr, t4tortoise, Rally
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16-07-2017, 04:12 PM
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
10 beanies upped!
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exchanges are welcome but minimum power 8. please be patient since i do not login here everyday
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2nd round exchange to return : Hurricane88 , loneyheart , sailsingapore , owl888
16-07-2017, 08:09 PM
Sawadee Krup :D
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
+39 Rep Points To Exchange
Due to overwhelming Demands, I have decided to give priority to those who have +15 Rep Power & above
Not accepting exchange with Rep Power Below 15 till I clear the list
Users that have been Upped
( Click to show/hide ) Naka_Timo, 8waldz, francesco, Deskboard, overboard, luvit, cyberkoh88, owl888 , Supervert , lonebonker , siam66 , Koiz, El bistro, HuatAh16, szczesny, Sailsingapore, tropiccana, Exbro, Botakhead2, baigonggong, SureScore, madpig88, 4Dguru, powerkid, Hurricane88, HayDay, Bugging, Lamborghini, Belt, ItsEsther, Swagelock, marlboroken, bbbjkim, gilaxes, ktmakmak, Andrew101, Wu Song Jr, DevilChan78, Tingtonglove, justl00king, owen10, Passerbyer, Slyer, badboys, arse-nal, Sexy_lion, Linkus, Kalv, basfreak, i^Xi0n, randily, Yvonne123, izaaat, Lovelyboy, bababoo, PeroPero, apollo, crackpod, Cafu, Rangerous, yashlro, esssinine, Lemon2, Smoky7, Prince7, Sponge05, georgemagnum, Tai_zi21, ken6890, lone_dog69, forsaken101, Rasta Marley, ly1968, SAFFRONnation, aakumu, topcook1, ngengheng, sunhuan-con, surbana, needsing38, SteelX, hamsapkwai, ho-lee, wkc77, liewkc2503, max_priest, cavemanng, ah rat, loneyheart, seabass, hungten, simple2kee, NorthEast, gozoo, meatvegelove, F-boy, unicornboy, nokia3510, sianren, GOODFELLO, skyleon, CoCk shoCk, Informer, Shiofukis, Masakarius, aDeCaLs, S.B.Y.1, CaptAm, bk81665, schmeichel, brunt, Clownteaser, Furby85, kopigaogao, Pink2577, 3MOQ, smartke, Exbros, braxlex, ProjectAlice, kengng, PeaceKris, menshealth, Fansees, bk4ever, jjmagic, Mplover, justanewbie, vrossi1980, EnjoyLife99, Sleepyguy2, Slide2despair, dyelook, plsfloodme, riderboy, wally888, Ktvbuddy, 69sex, tookara, SiaSuay, simimabochap, OysterLover, TonyCheong2, Effendy, Tho66, lobowolf, imfirecracker, Penguin23, diputs1269
Will up users next in following order :
Priority List (Those with +15 Rep Power and above)
Empty
Queue List
( Click to show/hide ) cheeseL, nantboy7, bigbirdbird, nastythaiboy, Cash8877, CuriousSG, lobangkingz, rawboy83, KaraII, Cloudy80, hoian, sky_liner2, Toobee, asgapi, sky88, Amplus, Msuzu, iluvfish, alfang, applepie130, xqueen, antartica, Boarding, charcoalfilter, chatlovers, warbird, Goalie, xDylan, alphaoasis, Dinoroar, Usign, adlo, jonkoller, Saltyraw, fatspider, mecurix86, dobo, fatty1234, jay.lay, KREMIL, Botakhead, happywoody, Pompous, Shalala01, gadtark, Jay chou, vampangel, metascooter, Charlie130, draven78eric, ejectjoy, MattJB, Weiwe, newyorker88, hondalvin, overseasgboy, skyscrape, Icekeeper, MerlinW, FEDERER801, Xiaoboy18, jessieisabitch, siithh, jcang, shit8, Latexman, redapple26, pocketrocket, Greenfrog, kick_ass, 1447, Zeith, wohaha96, relvo, andrew9030, Kuan Aik Hong, digital_, albertchen123, SMGG, Me Siam Bu, chris91, tuyet, WahLan, ipay4six, ahlongkia, Megatronzombie, hockkie64, Oh yes, ronin_dark, andythai, nixjrr, t4tortoise, Rally
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16-07-2017, 08:41 PM
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
4 Points & Above Are Welcome To Exchange
16-07-2017, 09:21 PM
Samster
Re: Thread for UpZ exchange for bros and sis :) ......
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4 Points & Above Are Welcome To Exchange
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