Priceing of MLs. Please stop spoiling market

[Nekofear]

Originally Posted by sladang

Add another 50 for tier-1 happiness? ..

yah.. 1B to release so pricey (88 + 50)
Add on: Bugis X-WXllnXss make entrance high but reasonable session tho. Good marketing

[edwardgreene]

Regarding the topic of $88 scams, that's not just the only issue. It's the ridiculous tiered rates for after massage services.

Recently I decided to change my tactic. Went to GL first to have my session with Ling Ling. After an awesome release, I dropped by at one of those spas that would normally upsell release. At 40 min maek, I voluntarily told the ML that I didn't want any 服务 （“services“), and requested for a harder massage towards my calves.
She gave me no love nor TLC, but massage was good at $58. I also told her I won't need to shower, requested for massage to end at 60min mark.

I felt super good. Release at GL, release muscular aches at spa, and felt even better at managing these typical spa scams.

Gave the ML a $12 tip.

[AUDIFANSG]

Originally Posted by r.fowler

this was confessed to me by my colleague who visited a facial/hj shop over the weekend.

having read a thread (now gone missing here), he went to visit this supposedly facial shop... paid for facial at $138. During the facial, ML keep asking him to top up for better product due to his skin condition but since he was not there for facial, he stay firm on the $138 and ML make some passing remarks like skin condition so lousy and yet doesnt want to take care etc.

after the facial, the ML asked if he wants bao yang.. he asked about the price and was shown 2 price tags of $188 and $238, the latter which is the buttock/rod massage. bearing in mind this did not include the facial fees earlier on. but he said since he already kena hung up to dry liao, he took the $238.

so $238+$138 = $376 now.

buttock/rod massage was nothing to shout about and now imagine his horror when the ML said after an hour, ok time is up... my friend was stunned, he asked, aren't you suppose to hj and jerk me off? the ML replied, no, baoyang you cannot shoot or touch me (in his opinion, that wasn't even a baoyang at all). now in his mind he started to realised he has been conned and the ML now said, 'Ok, if you want me to help you finish off, you need to top up $188(no touch) or another $238 (3G roaming).

My colleague immediately told the ML, is ok, he will just pay the $376 and stomp off but not before the ML made a remark at the counter, 'want to come out to play, don't be stingy'

so imagine he paid for the hj... that weekend session would have cost him more than $500.

i told him to take it as a lesson learnt and move on.

Lol almost 400 for this kind of service( no fj bj) and and bad attitude. And the ML probably nt very attractive and bottom of the social barrel. Go gl get better service and nobody gonna chop ur carrot head off. I don understand why these places still around. GL, condo Ml much better and if u fork out a few hundred more u can even fk a JAV in dome 3. Guys that go to this kinda establishment are fking stupid and deserving of being taken advantage off by these ML

[knilon]

Originally Posted by Nekofear

ML told me boss say 88 is confirm can massage pubic.
The other rates are like: body only, or body & leg only. While 88 are pubic place approved.

Of course there are some older joints that don't do this 88 pricelist. They still provide add on with standard entrance of 50 or 55 or 65

I don't like paying 30 extra to someone not touching my kkj. I would rather pay the ML more, tbf, if u say cost of living and inflation.

[deathnitez]

Originally Posted by sladang

The bosses are all PRC lady bosses rite? ..

Aiya most of the spa is own by prc ladies with some rich sg man or sleeping partner or long time here and got pr. But some prc boss good some are quite asshole.

[sladang]

Originally Posted by deathnitez

Aiya most of the spa is own by prc ladies with some rich sg man or sleeping partner or long time here and got pr. But some prc boss good some are quite asshole.

LOLz,

You seem to noe the inside out of the spa industries very well lei ..

[thedevil666]

Originally Posted by knilon

I don't like paying 30 extra to someone not touching my kkj. I would rather pay the ML more, tbf, if u say cost of living and inflation.

If u think from the taokay pov, u would uds they will want a cut from the illegal activities behind the door/curtain. They risk their investments if kena raid. Since ML alws offer extra business, why not they have an extra cut?

Im not saying i agree with this. But it is just how business works.

Bus fares, petrol, kopi o, chicken rice all increase price alr. So dont just stuck in 2010 prices and expect same svc. Spa owners, masseurs all are profit driven, not charity.

[evermore]

Was walking in Orchard Plaza last week, when an ML waved to me and invited me in to her shop. She was pretty, and was wearing a black dress. There was super GFE -- almost gave me a french kiss when asking if I wanted a massage!

The massage itself was $58 -- not bad. She made me strip all my clothes, and didn't give me any underwear or anything to wear, which was quite strange. She began the massage, and was super GFE during the whole massage. I was thinking to myself, "This is interesting. Let's see where this goes." Massage was quite sub-par, but she was gently massaging near my private parts, which was getting quite exciting.

She made me turn over, massaged a bit, and popped the question: "What would you like?" I asked her what she was offering. She said, "No, you tell me what you want." After a little bit of this back and forth, I said, "How much for. everything?" She said, "How much you offer?" When I said "$150", she acted like she was offended -- "NOOOOOO! I'm a pretty lady in Orchard. I want at $400!" I nearly fell off the bed! I was like, "And I'm a pretty boy in Orchard. I'm totally paying that amount!"

After a super-strange negotiation, I agreed to pay $150, for which she would take off all her clothes, and give me a blowjob while in the 69 position.

Even after the negotiation, the experience could have been good, but after she didn't get the $400, the GFE disappeared, and she was quite aloof. Just going through the motions.

Overall wouldn't recommend. Not worth it at all.

Overall, the experience left me quite dissatisfied.

[Pblock006]

Hello Bros,

It's been a while for me and I'm glad this post is still alive and hopefully helping others. Although I am quite happy this post has stayed alive, I fear some bros have gone carrot. They think with wrong head, or are afraid to negotiate. So I think it's time for me to help out our bros who need a word from another bro.

So I've still been visiting the great MLs in this beautiful country. While I've been lucky with my adventures, I've noticed a lot of MLs raising prices. I still keep the original prices I mentioned long ago, just more negotiating nowadays.

Some will say inflation, I'll say it as I see it, and say it's an inability to bargain/negotiate. Or just a fear of blackface an ML who wants to take your money. Maybe a fear that you'll be made fun of. Or maybe the feeling of I'm not that broke guy, or maybe the ML conned her way into your wallet with you thinking with wrong head. Whatever it is, it's not inflation thats driving rhese peices up. Yes prices of many things have gone up. However these MLs are still making bank.

I noticed many MLs now want extra for roaming or even other services. As I stated in my last post, STOP thinking with your little head. You need to be able to say no. You need to be able to take a loss if needbe. Its ok to lose once in a while. Itll make you better for next time. So many bros are out there determined to just get their rocks off at all costs just for that win, and the market is starting to get spoiled.

Let me give a quick story on a massage I had a few months ago. I went to a ML and her massage was rather good so when the GQ was asked, I went for the HJ cause I wanted to just play with Ney Ney as I was enjoying the MLs company and her hands were good. I would return in my mind to try other services later. Good talk and she was flirtatious. Very high GFE experience. She started at 70 for HJ and I told her 1 blue note. After a back and forth nego, She agreed. When I started roaming, she was basically like, extra. I still said no. Some more nego and she wouldn't budge. Ultimately I had to leave unsatisfied (a loss in my book). She said if I won't pay then I cannot play. I said thank you and she said we are done. As I was leaving she mumbled something under her breath. I think she called me cheap. I'm not 100% sure and honestly, I don't care. As I was leaving I called her a gold digger in the same tone she mumbled at me.

I went back to the same establishment about 2 months later and got the same ML. Massage wasn't as good as the first time but it was decent. A solid 7.5 out of 10. First time 8.5. We talked throughout massage and she said that she remembered me. I thought for a second to myself thinking this may go bad.

Was I ever so wrong to think that. She remembered my willingness to only pay 1 blue note for a HJ and my need for roaming. Other than entrance fee, I only paid 1 blue note, her HJ was good and ney ney were hidden gems. Solid 9. I know I hit her as well financially last time as each client who she doesn't get with extras, she loses as she doesnt make as much that day. To her it's better to get someone who will at least pay something rather than nothing. I tried her again on another day and her massage was like first time and she had an epic BJ. Was capped, but still great. But this time I paid 1 blue note and 3 red. She knew that this is what I would pay. Her BJ was so good I felt like a 5 pump chump. But I'm getting great service for the right price.

So to break it down bluntly for you newer bros, or bros who are not experienced enough. You are renting her time. With a good HJ, you'll last 10/15 min. Some will last longer, some less, whatever the length of time may be. But is the extra amount worth it to pay for 10/15 min? To me it's not. If I look at it in another perspective, think about when you go on holiday and need to rent a car. You are given a choice of renting a Prius, or a SUV. The SUV is usually higher to rent in cost and the prius is generally cheaper. How would you feel if you got the Prius and paid the same price for the SUV? Meanwhile, I'm getting the SUV, Charger, and any other vehicle for the same price as a Prius. It would make you want to change rental company. I know I wouldn't go and pay SUV prices for a Prius.

This is kind of the same thing. There should only be 3 categories that you pay. Doesn't matter if the ML is a 20yo new SYT or an experienced 35yo who is still cute. The 20yo will think her abalone is gold, but in reality, it's just another abalone unless your going to marry her. If that's your thing, then go for it. I would opt for the cutie down the street or coffee shop to wife up, not the ML. Again just preference. Also take into consideration how many other bros she played with. Not to mention, she does have BFs on the side that you don't know about. These MLs do message many guys daily on their down time to come in.

So getting down to business, the three categories each bro should go by are:

1)HJ. 1 Blue note with Auto Roaming at least the top. Some still provide 5G, but not too many. I find if you go multiple times to same ML then they will allow 5G.

2)BJ/BBBJ- 1 Blue note and 3 Red notes. I see this will sometimes differ if BB or not. They may ask for more. However there is your price. Some will allow for 69 after a few sessions.

3)FJ- 2 Blue notes. If she does some Kama Sutra stuff, then give her a TIP if you feel like it, but only after you Nego. And possibly share her contact info with me.

Otherwise, anything from the above, you are ruining the market and are a carrot. Sorry if I have to be the bro that says it, but we all need that bro who will tell us when we are not thinking straight. There will be some who disagree with me and it's ok, however, You can't tell me I am wrong as I get the above numbers regularly. Sometimes I do lose and I have to say no as the ML wants me to pay more. I was doing better a year ago, now I find the three above categories of prices are spot on 85% + of the time. 15% of the time I go home and HJ myself. I save 80 bucks.

Remember, it's ok to have ML blackface. Just think that it's the same as an old 100yo auntie who want to take her teeth out and give you a gum job for 200+. That's how I feel when I say no to an ML who gets mad at me for not overpaying. Or perhaps it's the girl at school who wanted you to give her money or favors or HW answers but never gave you anything in return. It's ok to tell the ML no.

Now, here will be a snippet most likely be how the conversation will look. You will turn around, and she may or may not massage you some more, then she will go to your brother and ask, happy?
You- I'm interested, how much?
ML- 80 HJ 120 BJ 150 FJ
You- no lah. Place next door or down the street is much cheaper. Girls are also pretty.
ML- girls not as good as me
You- girls in other places are very good. I was just there last week. Your asking too much and market rate is (insert your choice of release you want today, for this ill go with HJ for simplicity).
ML- yes but times are tough, not enough customers and I need money.
You- no lah, too much I don't pay that. I see many customer walk in before and I won't overpay.
ML- it's good price. You help me.
You- I pay only 50. Anything more and I can get same service elsewhere.
ML- no service will be as good as mine
You- your telling me other MLs cannot make me explode? (It'll get her to realize she is losing at this point)

Again, it'll be a rough convo like that. Sure there will be other things thrown at you. You can message me if you want me to help you to combat their counter.

At this point you'll most likely get her to nego down. She may frown. Let her. Remember, ML is a salesperson at this moment and she is trying to sell you a service at premium and I don't blame them. Let's face it, if you were trying to sell a service or item and can make an extra few bucks, you would do it too. It's just if the market has the same item your selling for a lesser amount from the salesperson next door, you'll have trouble selling the item at a premium amount.

Same with the MLs. If they start losing business to their greed, then they will lower their prices. Many do still go with the above rates I just posted.

And as I've said before. Stay away from the 88 P Massage. It's a 2 to 5 minute tease for your brother and jewels and the ML will come close to massaging your brother in your inner thight or rub him quickly. Not worth the squeeze in my book unless you like that quick tease. Some MLs will say this is a minimum for HJ. No its not. Many will still do HJ at a minimum if you say you don't want the P Massage. They will say their boss walking around and will yell at them or get them into trouble. I havnt seen this happen once yet. So opt out unless you like a quick tease and throwing 40 bucks out the window.

Also keep in mind I am not including enterance fees. Those range. I've found many places have gone up a few bucks... I don't know how to combat that unless all bros stop going for massage for a couple weeks. I'm afraid of what that would do... so I wont recommend it. Its still not a huge increase anyway. Many places offer specials for enterance randomly and itll be only 1 blue note. So understand that will be part of your cost to add to the top.

My last post I didn't give locations. This post I'll help some others actually work on getting into the game. These places have decent MLs with decent looks. Some give piano massages but some give ok massages. Get your confidence with these MLs and you can then work your way to other MLs in other locations. If your looking for decent MLs, Little India, Jalan Besar, Farrer Park, Bugis. These areas will have many MLs who will easily nego down to the above prices. Not all MLs Here will pop GQ just as an fyi. Then venture out to other areas and you'll see you'll be a champ at negotiating down. For those of you further away, look on other pages and you'll find the areas that are more.... fun.

For the love of all that is good, nego and don't let your bottom head do the talking. Hold the line and you'll see you can get more massages in the long run. If you are afraid to nego, there are other forums on SBF that have massage services and you get the price upfront. It's hard to not find one for $110 for an hr and 2x HJ. Perhaps their entrance fee into the shop is 60. Many still do 1 hr 2 blue notes. Some even offer more for normal prices. These MLs are also good and many look close to their pics.

If your still having trouble, go over the causeway and you'll find many male day spas that offer you a lot for 270 rm. All day spa, food, sauna, and an hr massage and FJ. About 80 SGD as I write this. No need to overpay. Or go to GL if you need to.

As always bros. Happy chionging, and let's help each other. If you really need a hand send me a message and I'll help as much as I can. Remember, no need to give away your hard earned money. Think for a second at times. Pause if you need to. Be ready to tell the ML no if they want to charge to much. Have money to chiong another day.

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by edwardgreene

Regarding the topic of $88 scams, that's not just the only issue. It's the ridiculous tiered rates for after massage services.

I am ok with $88 massage shop with in room shower. It is more private and quieter to relax during massage than the TCM curtain shop. It is paying extra $33 for a more conducive environment. The ML are mostly younger and better looking, so no problem.

The thing I don't feel reasonable is this crap sh*t of different tier service after massage.

$88+$50 is ok if include 4G/5G roaming
$88+$80 or $100 just for hj + roam is a no no.

Lately hardly can find $88+$50 so basically stop going $88 spa.
Cut down alot on massage visit now. Once every 2 weeks just go TCM for $55+$100 bbbj

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by Pblock006

Let me give a quick story on a massage I had a few months ago. I went to a ML

I went back to the same establishment about 2 months later and got the same ML.

kudos to you for return to try. If a ML charge me higher than $50 for hj + roam the first time, it will be the last time I visit.

[afterburn]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

Cut down alot on massage visit now. Once every 2 weeks just go TCM for $55+$100 bbbj

Klementi?

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by afterburn

Klementi?

$55 + $100 bbbj a lot of places have

[afterburn]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

$55 + $100 bbbj a lot of places have

yeah, of course, this pricing is quite common because at this amount can get fj already at some places.

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by afterburn

Klementi?

1/2 correct. another in BB